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BootinUp

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24. Its not even half the story. Thumbsdown
Fri Dec 23, 2022, 02:02 PM
Dec 2022

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Nov 20 • 18 tweets • 4 min read
🧵Journalists signing up on mastodon at the journa[.]host server should know that through no deliberate fault (that i can tell), the server has quickly gained a reputation for transphobia and has been widely banned/blocked.
So if you are using journa.host as your home server, you should know that people on many of those servers can't find or follow you, and won't be able to see your content on their feeds. Some of the servers banning you are major ones, too, like mastodon.art.

Mastodon
Journa.host is a reliable home for journalists on Mastodon.
http://journa.host

Mastodon.ART
Mastodon.ART — Your friendly home on the fediverse for all things creative, all on a platform that is community-owned and ad-free. NO CRYPTOART / NFTs ALLOWED.
http://mastodon.art
I'll spend the rest of this thread trying to unpack why this is happening (it's complicated?) but the bottom line is that the server is tainted and now its reputation precedes it. If you're using it, that may well extend to you, too, as you try to network there.
There are 3 main reasons for the bannings as far as i can tell.

1) The server used a scrape tool that came from k*w*f*rms. I can't find any details at all regarding how they found this tool, and they have since stopped using it.

This has naturally made people think the whole server is transphobic, because wtf how would they get a tool from KWF unless they were affiliated with KWF?! I'd love to have more context for the k*w*f*rms thing if anyone knows; if their only association is a single dev tool, then+
—i'm not sure that justifies labeling them as transphobic; they could have gotten the tool some other way, and they stopped using it. And it seems to be more complicated than that; their mods skew liberal to progressive, and one of them is trans.
2) Mike Pesca, fired from slate for defending his right to use the N-word, posted a transphobic NYT article and allegedly the first thing the journa[.]host mods did was ban another user for complaining that they hadn’t banned Pesca. (cont'd)
I say allegedly because the only post I can find about this has since been deleted. (It probably says something about how difficult it is to access info on mastodon that i've spent HOURS searching for info about this today and all i can come up with is a single deleted post.)
The mods did eventually also ban Pesca, so that interaction is also gone, but here's a screenshot of Parker Molloy yelling at him

The third reason is a lot more nebulous and has to do with the nature of journalism on the internet. It's not connected, but a lot of servers who really seem to distrust journalists on principle are using "they're transphobic" to justify their hostility in this case.

Because so little of this is transparent and source-able, it's really hard for me to parse how much of this is just negative spin and how much of it is valid concern. The journa[.]host server skews liberal blue-check journalist overall and has lots of influential users;
the server also recently got a boost from CUNY's school of journalism and @jeffjarvis

Jeff Jarvis (@jeffjarvis@mastodon.social)
I'm proud to announce that we at the Newmark Journalism School's Tow-Knight Center provided initial funding for the journa.host Mastodon instance that @adamdavidson@journa.host and a team of volunteer…



I'm flummoxed about this because i want to follow many journalists on journa[.]host. the server has lots of professional support behind it and honestly seems...fine?? but i also feel obligated to warn other journalists away from using it at this point.
I'm not trying to suggest that journa[.]host doesn't deserve its reputation for transphobia, either, just admitting that i can't *source* that reputation. Meanwhile what i can source doesn't really tell me much. Please let me know if you have any more info!
Bonus: A lot of servers have also begun to blacklist mastodon.social for a bunch of reasons including its size and lack of heavy moderation. If banning whole servers instead of individual people is really the prevailing 🦣cultural norm, i'm not sure that's sustainable.

Mastodon
The original server operated by the Mastodon gGmbH non-profit
https://mastodon.social
Aha! Parker Molloy *was* the banned journalist and also thinks banning the whole server is a bad move
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Clarification about the KWF thing from server creator Adam Davidson:


*correction, Pesca was suspended from Slate, not fired
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Ty EarlG & Elad! SheltieLover Dec 2022 #1
a quick test, comment and thank you to Elad Yonnie3 Dec 2022 #2
Cool! Thank you! 2naSalit Dec 2022 #3
K&R Thanks for posting. n/t TeamProg Dec 2022 #4
That's great. Wonder if mastodon will someday become the plaything of a twit (twoot). erronis Dec 2022 #5
Very smart, cool, thoughtful. Thank you, Elad. ancianita Dec 2022 #6
Love sniffing out these toots on DU IronLionZion Dec 2022 #7
Who has mastodon accounts there? edbermac Dec 2022 #8
I just looked to see what server many of the people I follow on Twitter are on. demmiblue Dec 2022 #12
I selected mstdn.plus which just reopened to new users. live love laugh Dec 2022 #45
Always improving, without being asked.... SergeStorms Dec 2022 #9
Testing: demmiblue Dec 2022 #10
This is great, now if my technology challenged brain could only take advantange of it ... marble falls Dec 2022 #11
This is great news 4now Dec 2022 #13
THANK YOU! Any chance of NOT boosting journa.host ? NullTuples Dec 2022 #14
Well... shit EarlG Dec 2022 #15
I understand, and that's my fear about Masto too. NullTuples Dec 2022 #18
Very interesting, thanks EarlG Dec 2022 #19
I think the question is whether a site has a good moderation policy BootinUp Dec 2022 #23
I appreciate that, but I just want to be clear about what I'm talking about EarlG Dec 2022 #28
Its not even half the story. Thumbsdown BootinUp Dec 2022 #24
OLD NEWS This is over a month old! BootinUp Dec 2022 #26
So the fascist owned site is ok though? Bad joke sorry. But the poster above BootinUp Dec 2022 #27
I guess this is what I'm talking about EarlG Dec 2022 #29
If you aren't interested in any research I might do then thats cool. BootinUp Dec 2022 #30
Embedding is going to be here for a little while EarlG Dec 2022 #32
Thank you for the clarification BootinUp Dec 2022 #34
Even if embedding does turn out to be a problem EarlG Dec 2022 #38
Thanks. One last suggestion BootinUp Dec 2022 #39
Hmm, interesting idea EarlG Dec 2022 #41
cool. Thanks EarlG BootinUp Dec 2022 #42
That could work. I know databases and sql BootinUp Dec 2022 #40
I think there already is a safe list of mastodon instances BootinUp Dec 2022 #37
Removing it is probably a good decision. Ms. Toad Dec 2022 #31
Mastodon has been a great experience. You do not know what you are missing Ms. Toad. BootinUp Dec 2022 #33
I do. Ms. Toad Dec 2022 #35
It is the "wild wild west part" that I have to argue about BootinUp Dec 2022 #36
Where is your quote coming from please? BootinUp Dec 2022 #22
So since November 20 anymore charges made against the server BootinUp Dec 2022 #25
LOVE IT! Thank you EarlG! CousinIT Dec 2022 #16
Awesome - this is a terrific enhancement to an already terrific site :) Pluvious Dec 2022 #17
I am not leaving Twitter unless YoshidaYui Dec 2022 #20
Same here. Rhiannon12866 Dec 2022 #43
Thanks! BootinUp Dec 2022 #21
I couldn't access the servers listed so I'm on mstdn.plus. live love laugh Dec 2022 #44
One interesting thing about mastodon BootinUp Dec 2022 #46
How did I miss this? blogslug Jan 2023 #47
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