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harumph

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9. That is the healthy thoughtful attitude.
Wed Jun 24, 2026, 10:56 AM
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I think too that right wing religious sects of Judaism - dare I say Jewish Nationalists, within Israel have had far too much sway in politics, as Christian Nationalism does here. For many years (since 1948) Haredi avoided military service. Even though in 2024 the ISC said they can be conscripted - they still manage to avoid it. Yet even though they believe military service is below them, they have been more than willing to "settle" (steal) - land where Palestinians have lived for generations. Non-violence and "Love of the Torah" then isn't the driving force behind avoiding service. I have no desire for closer ties, integration of defense contracting, intelligence services, etc. We have enough of our own fucked up issues to fix.

NYTimes (10302023): Israel Knew Hamas’s Attack Plan More Than a Year Ago

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/30/world/middleeast/israel-hamas-attack-intelligence.html

I keep coming back to those very detailed and documented warnings that Israeli officials had prior to the Oct 7 attack. Never properly addressed. In all countries, there is a hostility that the right wing religious have for their secular neighbors - to the point of dehumanizing. Maybe holding nonsensical beliefs is contrary to a happy and well adjusted society. I'll just leave it there.

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In the same vain, a persecuted Palestinian child today no different than a persecuted Jewish child during the Holocaust Chasstev365 Yesterday #1
K & R malaise Yesterday #2
All I care about in 2026 JustAnotherGen Yesterday #3
Priorities: 1) get those 30% of black men who voted for MAGA to reexamine their choices, and Ponietz Yesterday #4
What about the 65% of white men who vote Republican? yardwork Yesterday #6
What about what about? Ponietz Yesterday #8
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They're voting for what they think is their best interests. paleotn Yesterday #29
I'd like to get them to reexamine their choices Bettie Yesterday #62
Some of those 65% are persuadable. Many are not. Martin Eden 4 hrs ago #94
I think you mean 22% JustAnotherGen Yesterday #15
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I think you mean 22% JustAnotherGen Yesterday #16
I don't think the Democratic party has a white supremacy adjacent problem, but they do have a third party adjacent LeftInTX Yesterday #51
Respectfully disagree. H2O Man Yesterday #55
They are a political party with their own presidential candidates. LeftInTX Yesterday #56
Yeah. H2O Man Yesterday #57
They take away Democratic voters, just like the Green Party does. That's not insignificant. LeftInTX Yesterday #59
If their backed candidate would have won the Democratic primary, it would have been a laughing stock. LeftInTX Yesterday #60
The entire country JustAnotherGen Yesterday #68
"I think we need to be given reasons to vote for Candidates." Martin Eden 5 hrs ago #92
Fear Tactics JustAnotherGen 2 hrs ago #95
One doesn't have to be terrified of fascism to understand its impact and take action against it. Martin Eden 1 hr ago #97
"It doesn't make a difference, so why bother?" so many ask. Beartracks 20 hrs ago #83
This white woman is voting with you. yardwork Yesterday #5
As is this decrepit Irish rebel. H2O Man Yesterday #40
Older white woman, Black voters, Bettie Yesterday #65
Not to mention BaronChocula 20 hrs ago #81
So you have no sympathy for Latin immigrants being rounded up and deported without a trial? Unlike Trump and his MAGAts, Martin68 Yesterday #21
FFS. yardwork Yesterday #23
I'm sorry, I was responding to JustAntherGen " All I care about in 2026 Is Black Voting Rights, Civil Rights, and Martin68 Yesterday #25
You know what she meant. yardwork Yesterday #26
I don't understand what you mean. "All I care about..." is a very clear statement unworthy of any Democrat. Martin68 Yesterday #28
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Respectfully disagree. H2O Man Yesterday #37
I'm a Black American before JustAnotherGen Yesterday #71
Considering what has happened that's understandable.... electric_blue68 22 hrs ago #77
This is why H2O Man Yesterday #50
You get me H2O Man JustAnotherGen Yesterday #72
Understandable and acceptable. I feel the same way about KPN Yesterday #67
I hear the pain echoing in your message... slightlv 20 hrs ago #82
Look at all those responses to your posting. We Democratic Party people just love to tear each other down Wonder Why 5 hrs ago #91
I didn't read those other responses JustAnotherGen 2 hrs ago #96
DURec leftstreet Yesterday #7
That is the healthy thoughtful attitude. harumph Yesterday #9
Israel has a way with dividing Americans. Was ever thus. twodogsbarking Yesterday #10
Well said! MaryMagdaline Yesterday #11
Stand against violence......period! BeneteauBum Yesterday #12
Good statement. David__77 Yesterday #13
K & R Celerity Yesterday #14
I don't think Anti-Zionism is allowed on DU Johnny2X2X Yesterday #17
Sometimes it's like watching a klan rally Sympthsical Yesterday #24
and we're supposed to b the smart party. mopinko Yesterday #32
I disagree Johnny2X2X Yesterday #34
There are many Israeli Jewish scholars like Bartov and Levy who do not believe in Zionism for reasons Nanjeanne Yesterday #38
Destiny/Ethan Kline fans & those who have a cynical view on nuance definitely don't want to hear from anti Israeli Jews SunImp Yesterday #69
Or the irony of (Ultra Orthodox) Haredim being anti or non-Zionist Ponietz 23 hrs ago #73
I'm honestly confused by this Mossfern 21 hrs ago #79
I'll post their debate and the transcript since it's very nuanced. No they don't believe Israel shouldnt exist. It does. Nanjeanne 20 hrs ago #80
There's not Sympthsical Yesterday #39
Sorry, but there is Violet_Crumble 17 hrs ago #86
It's simple Sympthsical 17 hrs ago #87
Could you answer the question I asked you? Violet_Crumble 16 hrs ago #89
Except it's not just Likud anymore iemanja 16 hrs ago #88
Yep, they are taught to hate, and that hate is also encouraged by the US Violet_Crumble 14 hrs ago #90
it is in my mind, but mopinko Yesterday #31
It's also in the wrong forum Johnny2X2X Yesterday #35
the rule used to b that it was allowed in gd when there was a significant news story. mopinko Yesterday #46
Yeah Johnny2X2X Yesterday #49
I don't think that it is against the terms of use muriel_volestrangler Yesterday #36
words mean things. mopinko Yesterday #47
No, it doesn't just mean that muriel_volestrangler Yesterday #54
I dont see anything in the TOS saying that . Eko 23 hrs ago #74
Look up Yitzhak Rabin and Yeshayahu Leibowitz Blue Full Moon Yesterday #18
You can't critciize Israel and not be anti-semetic? That's pure bullshit. patphil Yesterday #19
Lander says in the video "You can criticize Israel and not be anti-Semitic". chowder66 Yesterday #27
This post seems to be inconsistent with it's subject line NoRethugFriends Yesterday #33
Words are easy to say but do actions match the words sarisataka Yesterday #41
I will also stand up against brutal dictators like Netanyahu and criminal oligarchs like Elon Musk and Larry Ellison. Initech Yesterday #42
Sorry about that, I mis-read the post, but my comments are still correct. patphil Yesterday #61
Food enid602 Yesterday #43
they're eating now. mopinko Yesterday #52
Aid enid602 Yesterday #58
Sadly, facts don't seem to matter. AloeVera Yesterday #63
Those are the disproven, gaslighting talking points of lying war-monger Netanyahu. AloeVera 23 hrs ago #75
Very well said PatSeg Yesterday #44
I am for the human rights of any Palestinian... gulliver Yesterday #45
You seem to contradict yourself as well as the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which btw has no such caveats. AloeVera Yesterday #66
True, I'll add a line to be clear. gulliver Yesterday #70
Since you don't seem to know what a supremacist is.. AloeVera 22 hrs ago #76
Brad Lander's interview w/ Antonia Hilton was excellent. yellow dahlia Yesterday #48
Kick MustLoveBeagles Yesterday #53
Hear hear! KPN Yesterday #64
I'm uniformly indifferent to all religions MineralMan 22 hrs ago #78
1000% n/t Cheezoholic 19 hrs ago #84
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Never Forget. Iggo 4 hrs ago #93
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