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ShazzieB

(22,966 posts)
81. I have several thoughts on this.
Mon May 25, 2026, 04:33 PM
May 25

To begin with, I don't think people calling Trump "low IQ," "stupid," etc, has anything to do with how any of us feel about people with developmental disabilities. Imo, it's a mistake to interpret insults leveled at Trump in that way. (Stick a pin in that, as I'll be coming back to it later.)

I agree with what twodogsbarking said up thread, that Trump constantly uses the phrase "low IQ" to insult others, and that has led to people using it against him. In other words, he started it. That doesn't make it okay, of course, but "so and so has a low i.q." is an insult I don't ever remember hearing come out of anyone's mouth before Trump started hurling it at everyone who does anything he doesn't like (especially poc).

I think he normalized that expression to the point that it was inevitable that people would start using it against him. We all got acclimated to it (along with all the other insults he constantly spews) whether we wanted to or not. As much as we all hate his rudeness and the constant stream of invective he spews, I think he has created a culture of insults that we have gradually gotten desensitized to, willingly or not, and "low IQ" is just one piece of a larger and very ugly picture.

Remember the way he insulted all the other candidates in the early Republican debates? I watched those debates with my mouth literally hanging open. I had never heard a grown adult dish out schoolyard level insults at other adults in such a fashion, and I couldn't believe what I was hearing. You could tell that his opponents were equally taken aback. They didn't know how to respond, and as a result, he was able to get away with it. Again and again.

Those of us with a sense of decorum and an awareness of how people are supposed to behave in such situations were baffled and horrified, but a sizeable segment of the country got a kick out of his childish behavior, lapped it up like kittens drinking milk, and begged for more. Those were the people that gave him the Republican nomination and elected him potus twice.

While he went on his merry way insulting people right and left, he also, constantly bragged about his "very large brain" and claimed to know more about anything and everything than anyone else. There are video montages on YouTube of him saying things like, "I know more about X than anybody!" and "Nobody knows more about Y than me!" over and over and over again. He seems to think that if he says, "I'm really smart!" eough times, that will magically make it so.

In addition to all of the above, I truly believe that he is not an especially bright guy. Smart people have traits like intellectual curiosity, rational thinking skills, and the ability to understand complex issues, NONE of which Trump has ever displayed. I have called him stupid on many occasions, because I believe he IS stupid, in a way that has nothing to do with IQ points. He has ZERO emotionally intelligence, and his understanding of any issue he has ever opined on is demonstrably and distressingly shallow, especially for someone in the position of power snd responsibility he has managed to worm his way into.

To bring this back around to where I started, I want to say that I would be absolutely appalled if I saw anyone insulting developmentally disabled people at DU or elsewhere, but as I said at the outset, I don't believe deriding Trump's intelligence has anything to do with them or our attitude towards them. I'm very much aware of the issues those people face and would never want to add to them. But I think we all need to be free to say the things we need to say about the manchild who currently holds all of our futures and possibly the future of our whole species in his hands, while we watch powerlessly and helplessly and those who actually have the power to do anything about him pretend there's nothing wrong. I really, really believe we need that.

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KNR niyad May 25 #1
Trump isn't developmentally disabled. His stupidity is the result of laziness and narcissism. Ocelot II May 25 #2
I think he does have some cognitive impairment... ananda May 25 #6
That is true. Cognitive impairment csusan May 25 #10
I have some impairment too. ananda May 25 #57
He never read any books, nothing on history except... duhneece May 25 #12
Message auto-removed Name removed May 25 #33
Enjoy your stay. A-Schwarzenegger May 25 #39
When he was younger, he clever enough to be at least average haele May 25 #35
Yes csusan May 25 #55
Thanks for posting this Fiendish Thingy May 25 #3
Yeah, fair enough re: fat shaming. He's an out-of-shape, old, over-weight KPN May 25 #21
Well he is a big fat fuck, so there's that. BannonsLiver May 25 #32
I know your type csusan May 25 #90
Thanks. I had a reply for that other thread, but it would have been removed. NT mahatmakanejeeves May 25 #4
Trump's no genius, but he's not that stupid. Ignorant, cruel, immoral, greedy, dishonest, suffering from multiple sop May 25 #5
It heartens me csusan May 25 #7
How does it make them feel? BannonsLiver May 25 #41
Trump is a vicious, brutal psychopath. Irish_Dem May 25 #8
DUers are NOT demeaning disabled people leftstreet May 25 #9
You need to read some more posts csusan May 25 #15
Yes, stupid, malignant asshole who constantly uses "low IQ" as a slur. GoCubsGo May 25 #16
Dont agree csusan May 25 #56
This message was self-deleted by its author GoCubsGo May 25 #61
Thanks Leftstreet.. Escape May 25 #18
And what does our Dear Leader (gagme) use as a dog whistle for African American? "Low IQ" Shame on him CurtEastPoint May 25 #11
I work with MAGAt's and they are aeromanKC May 25 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author CNYHarris May 25 #66
I am sorry Wifes husband May 25 #14
I need more context csusan May 25 #17
He is what we say! BidenRocks May 25 #19
K&R WhiskeyGrinder May 25 #20
We also demean "the stupid" gulliver May 25 #22
Stupid is not the same csusan May 25 #58
You mistake me (but it's my fault) gulliver May 25 #64
you are of course correct. (and make a worthy point) you are also stopdiggin May 25 #23
I recently saw Mel Brooks. He asked what is the difference between a Jew and a Frenchman? twodogsbarking May 25 #25
Thank you csusan May 25 #44
Having once worked in a state institution for Developmentally Disabled, and in the non-amb children's unit of same Attilatheblond May 25 #71
Trump uses the IQ to insult others. That is why others use it against him. twodogsbarking May 25 #24
Does that make it ok? csusan May 25 #46
Not condoning but it is what it is. twodogsbarking May 26 #102
Low IQ and stupid are different things nuxvomica May 25 #26
So.... Escape May 25 #27
Which is why I'm going to continue to call Trump whatever the hell I want to call him. BannonsLiver May 25 #36
Really that's your defense csusan May 25 #47
Really csusan May 25 #60
I am sorry that you Escape May 25 #77
He has savvy, knowledge, and awareness purr-rat beauty May 25 #28
For every post I have seen where people say doc03 May 25 #29
That doesn't make it ok csusan May 25 #49
Ah yes the old he goes low we go high bit. BannonsLiver May 25 #52
As has its corollary. Torchlight May 26 #109
All recent evidence to the contrary, but sure. BannonsLiver May 26 #111
Another one for the "this is why we lose" file. BannonsLiver May 25 #30
That isn't what i said csusan May 25 #51
Trump accuses many people as having low-IQ, especially reporters and liberal politicians. Intractable May 25 #31
I know I sound like a broken record but these people aren't stupid or crazy.... BlueTsunami2018 May 25 #34
I agree with you that the discussions of Chump should not refer to his IQ FakeNoose May 25 #37
I think what's needed is an approved list of insults for Trump. BannonsLiver May 25 #38
Oh I don't care, I've posted a lot of Chump insults in the last 9 years FakeNoose May 25 #42
My understanding is that IQ remains ... Dave says May 25 #79
No actually they take the final test result and divide by one's age FakeNoose May 25 #80
The ability to listen and admit error csusan May 25 #63
Well, he's the one calling many people "low IQ individuals." MineralMan May 25 #40
I agree mostly csusan May 25 #67
Trump's no dumber than a mid-level MAGAt. He oasis May 25 #43
Excellent points! yardwork May 25 #45
Yes! csusan May 25 #68
IQ tests are silly things anyway. yardwork May 25 #74
High iq shouldnt necessarily be nearly as glorified as it is SSJVegeta May 25 #48
Even though it'll likely have little effect, your sensitivity A-Schwarzenegger May 25 #50
Thank you csusan May 25 #54
Maybe try to apply the same sensitivity to those who disagree A-Schwarzenegger May 25 #62
The IQ number is a very inadequate measure of something as complex as intelligence dedl67 May 25 #53
I don't disagree csusan May 25 #70
Yes, there are some uses of the IQ score as a screening tool to help guide the providing of services. dedl67 May 25 #72
Totally csusan May 25 #78
Don't disagree and have learned not to go there;however, like Trump's genius claim or Bible thumpers and morality.. surfered May 25 #59
YES csusan May 25 #73
Yes he is an idiot IbogaProject May 25 #65
Sometimes people confuse ignorance with a low IQ. GoodRaisin May 25 #69
Actually people do know csusan May 25 #75
Pay attention: the ones who are of questionable intellegence are his supporters. marble falls May 25 #76
I agree csusan May 25 #82
I have several thoughts on this. ShazzieB May 25 #81
Quite Disagree ProfessorGAC May 25 #83
I disagree csusan May 25 #86
Well actually he isn't below average and never has been csusan May 25 #88
So calling him crazy or insane insults people with mental illness? Mental illness is not necessarily the person's fault RoeVWade May 25 #84
I don't call someone mentally ill csusan May 25 #87
Well said - K & R. Permanut May 25 #85
This is silly. mr715 May 25 #89
IQ equivalents are not standardized IQ tests csusan May 25 #91
Some students received testing from child psychologists mr715 May 25 #92
Thank you for your reply csusan May 25 #93
I appreciate your position mr715 May 25 #95
Thank you csusan May 26 #107
I'm posting again. csusan May 26 #108
Thank you for your thoughts. mr715 May 26 #110
This is not accurate at all luv2fly May 25 #97
How would you define profound csusan May 26 #99
I'm not arguing with your classifications luv2fly May 26 #100
I appreciate your passion and generally agree luv2fly May 25 #94
This is true EdmondDantes_ May 25 #96
Demanding sensitivity and immediate capitulation MorbidButterflyTat May 26 #98
Although it can't be entirely discounted that with age, in some individuals no_hypocrisy May 26 #101
I agree. Willfully ignorant is a more accurate term for Trump. Raven123 May 26 #103
dense, dim, doltish, dopey, half-witted, indiotic, imbecilic, morainic, mindless, dull, dumb, thick RoeVWade May 26 #104
Yes csusan May 26 #105
Since IQ is little more than a measure of how people score on IQ tests, I never bother with the term Orrex May 26 #106
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