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eppur_se_muova

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47. Not if you voted for it, which Trmp's supporters most certainly did.
Thu May 7, 2026, 11:01 AM
Yesterday

You don't have to be Black to be disappointed, but I'm damned sure it helps.

I remember self-appointed pundits asking "is America ready for a Black President ?", each evidently feeling this was a product of insightful deliberation peculiar to themselves, and forming my response as "The rest of the world is ready for America to have a Black President; If America isn't ready that's our problem."

Well. It turns out America had/has a much bigger problem than I realized. A painful learning experience for me, and much of the country, I'm guessing.

In the Fifties (and before), it was popular on the Right to say "America, love it or leave it". Much later, I remember a country music star adding "and if you do love it, stay here and try to fix the sonofabitch". I have to say I admired that addition, and felt like Democrats weren't the ones wanting to destroy the country (that was the oligarchs, as always), but rather had a moral obligation to be the ones who did the fixing, and I always wanted to be on the side of that effort. I'm not so sure about that anymore. I've pretty much lost any chance of having a normal life and career because of the way things are tilted towards the rich and connected, and I don't see much chance of that changing within my remaining lifetime, and I'm assuming 20-25 years to go is not unreasonable. If I were offered an academic position in a foreign country, with the kind of benefits those Socialist Yerpeens all enjoy, I'd move if I could afford it. And I'm not sure how much it matters what country, or what the native language is. (Well, almost. Hungary is still iffy for a while, and not because of the language.) My expectations for improvement in this country are that low. It will happen, I suppose, but not soon enough to help me live any but a marginal existence as a "consumer", maybe even a "voter". "Citizen" in a meaningful sense is out of reach for many Americans now. Maybe even me.

I used to think of America's future as always getting better and better. Now, I think the longer the country lasts, the more its fundamental flaws emerge (legalized slavery being a flaw that's now gone, at least in name); if these aren't reckoned with, I think we could end up going the way of the Austro-Hungarian Empire (1867-1918), weakened by internal ethnic conflicts until broken apart by crises of internal or external origin. Austria-Hungary was once a major industrialized state and economic power in Europe, but fell apart when the accumulated stresses became too great, and the Russians attacked in alliance with Serbia. I'm not convinced a similar thing for America (1776-20??) is out of the question.

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A shock. Not at all. On the contrary. I've been WARNING about it for at least a DECADE now. B.See Wednesday #1
True malaise Wednesday #2
Step by step, the social taboo on overt racism decomposesd. SouthBayDem Wednesday #29
This started with the Rehnquist 5's Bush vs Gore ruling DemocracyForever Yesterday #59
Oh! Idk That detail! I was angry in general about it - did they call that "The Brooks Brothers riot"? electric_blue68 22 hrs ago #83
The Brooks Brothers riot is a small portion of what happened DemocracyForever 5 hrs ago #106
My theory is If Obama had -only- one term.... electric_blue68 22 hrs ago #82
It's been building particularly since drumphf frst insulted Candidate Obama with the birth certificate lies... electric_blue68 22 hrs ago #81
Not hard to process at all misanthrope Wednesday #3
Scary malaise Wednesday #4
Yep Solly Mack Wednesday #6
Same here Stuckinthebush Wednesday #8
They did before misanthrope Wednesday #10
Yep Stuckinthebush Wednesday #11
Was in Alabama just after Trump took office in mobile airport JT45242 Yesterday #35
The most ironic aspect of your story misanthrope Yesterday #52
1990's! I guess I'm not totally suprised, being it was so inculcated electric_blue68 21 hrs ago #87
Yep, little bars where you had to ring and then be buzzed in misanthrope 19 hrs ago #103
The White Way social club... 🙄😑 electric_blue68 16 hrs ago #105
I also grew up in the rural south BeneteauBum Wednesday #12
Nice story. Sometimes it takes just one real encounter to understand that we are all one, all the same. erronis Wednesday #19
Nice malaise Yesterday #32
A heartening story! In the 70's I remember I had a pen pal in Geogia... electric_blue68 21 hrs ago #89
How The South Won The Civil War Sequoia Yesterday #67
I learned somewhat about that through the internet.... electric_blue68 22 hrs ago #84
I'm a Northern white woman, and I've countered [luckily infrequently] things other white people have said to me.... electric_blue68 21 hrs ago #86
I grew up in a small town in Michigan JBTaurus83 Wednesday #5
White people talking to white people Johonny Yesterday #40
It's a major reason... Bastard "gave permission" to all this crap! electric_blue68 21 hrs ago #90
I was thrilled by the election of President Obama, believing it to be... 3catwoman3 Wednesday #7
+1. I'm afraid Obama was a rare anomaly. dalton99a Wednesday #16
The fact that we had a Black president drove the racists crazy. wnylib Wednesday #28
I think it was evolving some, BUT that made the racists more entrenched, and vicious... electric_blue68 21 hrs ago #91
Never left! Floyd R. Turbo Wednesday #9
True dat. This explains the history of modern American racism. We've gone back to the future. Marcuse Yesterday #66
I knew as a child, when i first heard the words "all men are created equal", that the shit was going to hit the fan one Solomon Wednesday #13
I wonder how other countries have evolved past this. Or have they? erronis Wednesday #21
They have not. malthaussen Yesterday #45
I just never understood why they think racism is advantageous. Trueblue Texan Yesterday #38
I never understand how people do not get the simple concept that hamsterjill Yesterday #41
There are stupid people and brilliant people from every race malaise Yesterday #58
I was never fooled that we were "past it", when Obama was elected. electric_blue68 21 hrs ago #92
A lot of racists in this country KT2000 Wednesday #14
They think everyone is like them. They're not, thank God. Joinfortmill Yesterday #50
I am not at all surprised AverageOldGuy Wednesday #15
Helluva post already! I got a great taste of southern living from this erronis Wednesday #22
That "taste" misanthrope Yesterday #53
Freaking wow malaise Yesterday #39
Thank you Keepthesoulalive Yesterday #63
Hooo, I'll bet. Clicked on the article will read. Glad some of your famimy has some good sense! electric_blue68 21 hrs ago #93
As someone born an raised in the south, my reply is to ask "What do you mean, 'return'?" OldBaldy1701E Wednesday #17
MAGA like 1850!!! moondust Wednesday #18
Generally speaking, most Republicans are "Surface People". chouchou Wednesday #20
It is mind boggling how these Kluxers are reimposing Jim Crow. My God. PatrickforB Wednesday #23
More of our electeds and candidates must do a FAR better job of denouncing, demonizing, and delegitimizing... pat_k Wednesday #24
I would shorten your term to just Republicans. love_katz Yesterday #75
Something I posted elsewhere applies here (corrected link) pat_k Yesterday #78
I don't agree. love_katz 20 hrs ago #96
I would partly disagree...least for back in the late '60's, early '70's electric_blue68 21 hrs ago #94
Not surprising at all RetiredParatrooper Wednesday #25
I live in ruby red Florida mcar Wednesday #26
I live in Purple Florida PCB66 Yesterday #33
When sports in America starts being effected we will see some change. BradBo Wednesday #27
Not a shock. The racism never left. Like cockroaches, they hide in the shadows awaiting the dark Scalded Nun Wednesday #30
Seems not too long ago comments like this would get a rash of shit from southerners claiming the north is just as racist Hassin Bin Sober Wednesday #31
Wow! malaise Yesterday #34
That should be an OP on its own. Passages Yesterday #42
Sheeeet! (And Sheets!) Self satisfied flaming racists! electric_blue68 19 hrs ago #100
JFK tried. Kid Berwyn Yesterday #36
Thanks for this my friend malaise Yesterday #37
A lot here I didn't know. Thank you Joinfortmill Yesterday #51
Rec'd MustLoveBeagles Yesterday #62
Never knew this, thanks for posting. Sequoia Yesterday #73
Milteer?! KB, I remember reading about Agent Bolden here on DU... electric_blue68 20 hrs ago #97
A shock, but not an unexpected one. malthaussen Yesterday #43
Sheathing for eight years with a black president their brains filled with putrid puss. Hope22 Yesterday #44
I have family members by marriage who voted for him. Baitball Blogger Yesterday #46
Not if you voted for it, which Trmp's supporters most certainly did. eppur_se_muova Yesterday #47
The racism in the U.S. is deep and wide PJMcK Yesterday #48
I'm so damn sick of racism. It's STUPID. We are all humans. WTF? Joinfortmill Yesterday #49
America has a deeply racist history that gets swept under the rug dlk Yesterday #54
This IS what they voted for. underpants Yesterday #55
They want their slaves back awful bad. Aristus Yesterday #56
Here's the rub misanthrope Yesterday #65
But as long as slavery existed, those dipshits wouldn't be on the lowest rung of the socio-economical ladder. Aristus Yesterday #69
I would say it was like today's poor Americans who take the side of the wealthy misanthrope Yesterday #70
Their racism & misogyny has been barely hidden CousinIT Yesterday #57
It. Is right here on DU Keepthesoulalive Yesterday #60
Living in a blue bubble as I do, it's always a bit shocking to see or read about Ocelot II Yesterday #61
Roberts and the five of the other justices have been paving the way for this for a while LetMyPeopleVote Yesterday #64
Nailed it malaise Yesterday #79
Woah - terribly fierce, and true cartoons :( electric_blue68 20 hrs ago #98
I grew up in a lumber town in California with no black residents. pfitz59 Yesterday #68
Unbelievable malaise Yesterday #72
Red-lining does exist in NYC, but less so. Has been fought against in the past several decades electric_blue68 20 hrs ago #99
K&R red dog 1 Yesterday #71
Tribalism and exclusivity. Hate follows in their paths. OC375 Yesterday #74
I am grieving for the loss of my country UpInArms Yesterday #76
Obama's election made them emerge from under their rocks Skittles Yesterday #77
Unfortunately I am not shocked. It's alway been there, just more quiet etc. themaguffin Yesterday #80
It's a land grab, steal what you can while you can Beringia 22 hrs ago #85
I'm not shocked that it's raised its head once again... slightlv 21 hrs ago #88
Hmmmm Six117 20 hrs ago #95
I guess no. I've sure known there's plenry of racists still out there!. I guess the sort of shock is.... electric_blue68 19 hrs ago #101
Beyond my naive reckoning. Shocking. Part of my white privilege: I didn't have to see it until it would not ... marble falls 19 hrs ago #102
I have a theory which might be unpopular. Morbius 18 hrs ago #104
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