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genxlib

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71. This was entirely predictable after Surfside
Sun Apr 19, 2026, 10:06 AM
2 hrs ago

Indeed I did predict it.

For the record, I am close to this issue. I have lived in South Florida for 40 years and am in the Engineering industry. I have worked in Search and Rescue with FEMA for 30 of those years and I spent several weeks onsite in Surfside immediately after the event.

Insurance has been an issue for all properties in Florida but the real problems with condos boil down to two things.

A) Stricter laws after Surfside require certain expenses to be budgeted and held in reserve. Since many condos didn't have this, they have had to over-collect to reach those minimum levels

B) The rules on engineering inspection changed in ways that don't seem crazy but have had a drastic effect. There was a change to how often the inspections were require (40yr->30yr) plus the requirement for many condos to undergo an inspection rightaway. But the real underlying problem has been the marketplace for those inspections. The price for those inspections shot up. Partly because there was more demand. But mainly because Surfside was a wake-up call that there was a lot of liability in those inspections. The number of individuals willing to do them for the old prices went way down and the ones remaining were way more thorough than before. More importantly, the lability involved means the engineers are understandably much more conservative than they used to be resulting in more requested repairs. The condos don't really have a choice but to comply since they need those certifications to remain open. The whole system has ratcheted up the cost.

I actually do feel sorry for many condo owners getting caught up in this. Mostly for the ones that already owned before Surfside. They really had no way to know that this would be the new reality. I even feel bad for the association officers who are forced to be the bad guys here based on things out of their control. There are certainly bad ones but for the most part they are just owners volunteering their time to help run their buildings.

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If minimally adequate safety regulations are ruinous to a property/business situation RockRaven 21 hrs ago #1
I agree w/ you! SWBTATTReg 20 hrs ago #6
"Soaring HOA fees - which averaged $135 per month in 2025." Tell me that's a typo... PeaceWave 21 hrs ago #2
The linked article lists fees of $3,000 a month, $2,000 a month, etc. IronLionZion 20 hrs ago #8
Yes it must be wrong. That is a very cheap HOA fee. Irish_Dem 20 hrs ago #9
You are correct. The article mentions HOA fees are going up drastically because of the need to fund structural repairs. John1956PA 18 hrs ago #28
Wow can you imagine taking such a big loss? Irish_Dem 18 hrs ago #30
I corresponded with a nice lady who bought (for a very reasonable price) a home in Palm Coast during the "trough." John1956PA 18 hrs ago #36
It was a big gamble though, right? Irish_Dem 18 hrs ago #40
That lady was a risk taker. I could tell you more about her adventures. John1956PA 17 hrs ago #45
If she lived in Florida I am sure she had a lot of adventures. Irish_Dem 17 hrs ago #51
The great recession saw a lot of that nation-wide IronLionZion 18 hrs ago #38
Vultures always love a nice tragedy. Irish_Dem 18 hrs ago #41
Squatting enid602 17 hrs ago #53
It will be lovely until you get thrown out on your ass. Irish_Dem 17 hrs ago #56
Guthrie enid602 15 hrs ago #60
Yes I see that online. Irish_Dem 15 hrs ago #61
HOAs are an extortion racket... GiqueCee 19 hrs ago #24
Right! It's much better to stuff the pockets of a landlord marybourg 18 hrs ago #27
Thank you! BlueWaveNeverEnd 18 hrs ago #33
I can only relate a coworker's experience... GiqueCee 18 hrs ago #42
Board members, just like congress members, stand for election marybourg 17 hrs ago #54
So you have no idea what you are talking about Hassin Bin Sober 16 hrs ago #57
You just repeated what I said. GiqueCee 3 hrs ago #68
Hoa board members are NOT paid. Fees go to shared expenses like water bill and insurance premium BlueWaveNeverEnd 18 hrs ago #32
Not to mention pool upkeep, the building roof/sidings/painting etc EX500rider 17 hrs ago #46
yes. power bill for outdoor lighting, repaving of roads, an endless list BlueWaveNeverEnd 16 hrs ago #58
I'm in one jmowreader 17 hrs ago #48
No surprise. Aristus 20 hrs ago #3
Central Florida was a paradise PCB66 20 hrs ago #7
Anyone who has ever tubed down the Ichetucknee or bird watched at Myakka or waded the green waters of Longboat Key lostnfound 19 hrs ago #23
You left out "Walkin' Lawton". Lawton Chiles. Lochloosa 17 hrs ago #55
Thank you! You are right. Nt lostnfound 14 hrs ago #64
Flat. Hot. Bugs. Invasive creepy crawlies everywhere. Brimming with "Florida men" and "Florida women" paleotn 20 hrs ago #14
Yes, a "hellhole", please do not move here, it's terrible! EX500rider 17 hrs ago #47
What kind of fish are in the first picture? jmowreader 17 hrs ago #49
The mammalian kind not fooled 17 hrs ago #52
West Indian Manatee EX500rider 12 hrs ago #65
Sunshine? Ugh! The worst! Aristus 16 hrs ago #59
Sad... EX500rider 12 hrs ago #66
Not for me. Aristus 3 hrs ago #70
This is exactly what makes me nervous JBTaurus83 20 hrs ago #4
The laws in Florida that allowed this are pretty unusual. In most states there are pretty strict Scrivener7 18 hrs ago #39
What really gets me here is that no one is sharing any of the responsibilities for this whole mess to begin w/, SWBTATTReg 20 hrs ago #5
Hi-rise condos are a fundamentally flawed concept Random Boomer 14 hrs ago #63
Is the problem that they just put off or avoided repairs JI7 20 hrs ago #10
Absolutely. Same thinking in 'Murica since raygun not fooled 17 hrs ago #50
Does this mean they can't afford to buy a second home in WNC? Hope, hope. Wonder Why 20 hrs ago #11
Or in SC. raccoon 19 hrs ago #18
You mean North Florida? No big. Wonder Why 19 hrs ago #20
The rush to build pfitz59 20 hrs ago #12
As a third generation Floridian who moved out Hey Joe 20 hrs ago #13
You were lucky to have experienced it as a child. slightlv 19 hrs ago #16
I was a kid there in the late 50s and the 60s The Blue Flower 19 hrs ago #22
It's going to make for a very interesting REO/foreclosure market at some point. flvegan 20 hrs ago #15
Not all Fla condo's have this problem. I live in a well run association in west central Fla. When one goes up for sale mitch96 19 hrs ago #17
Agreed..this situation applies to a certain type of condo in a certain area BlueWaveNeverEnd 18 hrs ago #37
A couple from our NY synagogue lost their 2 sons at Surfside Danmel 19 hrs ago #19
That is terrible Alice Kramden 19 hrs ago #26
How very sad.. unimagineable.. mountain grammy 18 hrs ago #29
Omg..how sad BlueWaveNeverEnd 18 hrs ago #34
It'll all be underwater soon anyways JoseBalow 19 hrs ago #21
Well, it was... GiqueCee 19 hrs ago #25
Sadly yes, probably much sooner than most think mountain grammy 18 hrs ago #31
Straight out of a John D. MacDonald novel. nt Susan Calvin 18 hrs ago #35
In the next decade the cost of living in FL is going to drive out middle class residents. flashman13 18 hrs ago #43
Disney has lots of parks worldwide Amethyst Ring 6 hrs ago #67
The difficulty financing is nothing new madville 17 hrs ago #44
How The Reagan Revolution Collapsed America & the Florida Condo Norrrm 15 hrs ago #62
I imagine insurance is playing an outsized role as well Ruby the Liberal 3 hrs ago #69
This was entirely predictable after Surfside genxlib 2 hrs ago #71
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