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jfz9580m

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120. And these are very serious allegations
Sat Apr 11, 2026, 06:20 PM
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It sounds like roofies in a few instances. And totally creepy and unprofessional behaviour overall.
I don’t think the Al Franken allegations were anything like this (though I did not follow them much as I was pretty tuned out at that time). Hell, I don’t think the Weiner allegations were this bad. This is rape ffs.

Women’s rights have been taking a steady beating in the last 6-7 years with the overturn of Roe v Wade, the disproportionate impact of covid on women’s livelihoods, the rise of a tacitly anti-equality strain of thought (a ghastly oped by someone called Ben Wray in the Jacobin struck me in particular). Women make up a significant portion of the dem base given that if you care about the environment, science or women’s rights at all, the U.S. is pretty much a one-party country.
There is the rare GOP candidate who may even spout some economic populism, but never support for women’s rights.

These allegations are about as serious as they get and it is up to four women:

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/eric-swalwell-sexual-assault-allegations_n_69d97452e4b0ccb589ece93b?origin=article-related-nonlife

The former staffer provided detailed accounts of her allegations against Swalwell, telling the Chronicle that in 2019, she blacked out after the lawmaker invited her out for drinks.
On another alleged occasion, the staffer says Swalwell tried to kiss her when she was driving him home from a meeting.

In 2024, after she was no longer working for Swalwell, the staffer says she encountered him at a charity gala and that he forced himself on her when she was drunk. In texts to a friend after the alleged incident, which were reviewed by the Chronicle, Swalwell’s accuser said she “woke up once during it and even told him to stop at one point.”

Another woman told the network that she found herself intoxicated in Swalwell’s hotel room with little memory of the evening. She said the lawmaker had nonconsensually kissed her and touched her leg in a bar earlier that night.

A different woman reported a very similar experience, saying she had connected with Swalwell on Instagram in 2025 and that he sent her his phone number. She said she later met with him in person and that he touched her leg and kissed her nonconsensually and ordered her a drink. She says she later found herself in his hotel room with no memory of how she got there, and that what happened in the room is “a blur.”


I back due process obviously. But we comment all the time on stories before a full Merrick Garland style investigation is complete and these are allegations that many if not most women would recognize a familiar creepy pattern in.
I support these women as they will attacked by jerks and creeps. “Why was she so drunk?”, “why didn’t she do this or that?”

It is often a very confusing headspace women forced into creepy situations deal with as experienced professionals in these areas know.

I have been posting about the worst allegation I have seen so far against Trump-the 13 year old he tried to force into grotesque crap and then physically abused as well.

And this is no different. No woman should have to put up with shit like this.

13-Year-Old Trump Accuser Has Key Details of Her Story Verified
The story appeared in an FBI interview in the Epstein files.


https://newrepublic.com/post/207439/department-justice-posts-fbi-interviews-donald-trump-accuser-epstein

The Justice Department released FBI interviews with a woman who accused Donald Trump of beating her after he sexually assaulted her when she was a child.

The interviews took place between August and October 2019. The woman, according to her testimony, was abused by Jeffrey Epstein for years. Her name is redacted across three separate files, but her allegation against the president is clear: Trump punched her on the side of her head after she bit his penis. She was between 13 and 15 years old at the time, she told investigators, when Epstein brought her to a “very tall building with huge rooms” in either New York or New Jersey. That’s where the prolific sex trafficker introduced her to Trump, she recalled.

Trump “didn’t like that I was a boy-girl,” the woman told investigators, referencing a tomboy.

The woman claimed that she bit Trump’s penis at the time “because he disgusted her.”

“He had money, it reeked off of him,” she said.

She noted that Trump appeared jealous of Epstein, though at some point “they ended up on level playing fields.” She recalled that Trump and Epstein would sometimes use the terms “fresh meat,” “untainted,” and “not jaded” when referring to girls.

She told investigators she had two additional interactions with Trump but did not linger on the topic.

The woman claimed Epstein’s associates harassed her for years after the abuse ended, sending her numerous death threats. In one instance, she and her mother were run off a road while driving, forcing her to remain silent.

Trump is mentioned more than 38,000 times in the Epstein files, according to a New York Times review of the DOJ’s February document dump, which consisted of some three million previously unseen pages. All in all, Trump was flagged in more than 5,300 files in the document cache, according to the Times.


This stuff is all outrageous and the status of women and children in all these societies is deteriorating fast. Not to mention every other bloody thing that matters..
So sick of this shit..

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I may get banned for this, but [View all] grumpyduck Saturday OP
I'm not saying he is innocent, but I do believe the timing stinks of rat fuckery. SheltieLover Saturday #1
This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Saturday #3
I was with you until I saw 'FOUR WOMEN' RandomNumbers Saturday #7
Has anyone credible asked them why they waited until now? SheltieLover Saturday #9
Victims in cases like these will often come forward when they see that someone they know as a predator or pest is about WhiskeyGrinder Saturday #24
Scattered throughout the CNN article, which is long RandomNumbers Saturday #27
That is, indeed, a commonality among sexual assault survivors, but I'm still reserving judgment. SheltieLover Saturday #28
Good point and I mostly agree with you. Time should tell. RandomNumbers Saturday #35
And, at least, the alleged victims were not children! SheltieLover Saturday #67
I agree with you. I think everyone involved .. Women, men, witnesses should take a polygraph. Trueblue1968 Saturday #92
Because Swallwell has been outspoken about kraznov. SheltieLover Saturday #93
I have been thinking of polygraphs as a complainant myself jfz9580m Saturday #131
Because polygraph tests aren't reliable? EdmondDantes_ 14 hrs ago #152
an ABSOLUTELY common dynamic in sexual assault .. - - - - - - - - - - -(nt)- stopdiggin Saturday #32
Maybe he's skilled at gaslighting wolfie001 Saturday #70
"why did you wait ?" is an age old question that has an unfortunate history of being weaponized .... stopdiggin Saturday #31
Here are some resources on why many victims don't come forward EdmondDantes_ Saturday #34
Fun fact: It was George Conway (the former Mr. Kellyanne Conway) who told E. Jean Carroll to file a suit against T💩p. OMGWTF Saturday #40
I didn't know that. EdmondDantes_ Saturday #41
Politico says they've seen a written confidentiality and non-disparagement agreement muriel_volestrangler Saturday #50
If it was pukes, not fooled Saturday #65
You must be male..... Biglinda 52 Saturday #78
I am not male & am a strong feminist with a strong bs sniffer & this stinks! SheltieLover Saturday #79
My beloved lover of Shelties... mr715 Saturday #90
Most of the bottom tier Dems in the race should've pulled out, imo &, in fact that they didn't makes me wonder how many SheltieLover Saturday #94
Because he can read social media? EdmondDantes_ 18 hrs ago #141
Exactly, and right through the whole "Me Too!" movement. pandr32 Saturday #113
But four women all now? hamsterjill Saturday #22
I don't know either, Jill, but phone numbers can be spoofed and we know ruskies are great at hacking... SheltieLover Saturday #26
Agreed, Sheltie. hamsterjill Saturday #97
I'm on the fence too RandomNumbers Saturday #30
The unfortunate thing is that he'll already be cancelled. hamsterjill Saturday #98
I have no idea soldierant Saturday #128
Please don't. hamsterjill Saturday #132
Not underage perhaps, but unable to consent, and on the lower end of the power dynamic RandomNumbers 18 hrs ago #139
I acknowledge your opinion. hamsterjill 17 hrs ago #144
. WhiskeyGrinder 16 hrs ago #145
So every man accused should just quit politics automatically? hamsterjill 16 hrs ago #147
Taking a bad-faith reading of my posts might make you feel better, but it doesn't change the fact that people HAVE been WhiskeyGrinder 15 hrs ago #148
I've never heard anything about Swalwell before that was concerning. hamsterjill 14 hrs ago #149
You haven't heard anything about Swalwell that's concerning by design. Sex pests know how to control their environment, WhiskeyGrinder 14 hrs ago #150
I agree. MorbidButterflyTat 13 hrs ago #154
Thank you. hamsterjill 13 hrs ago #155
Agree. MorbidButterflyTat 8 hrs ago #156
I'm perfectly comfortable waiting for facts,. But it would never occur to me soldierant 2 hrs ago #157
California's jungle primary is weird. DemocratSinceBirth Saturday #45
You get it FHRRK1 Saturday #118
D versus R we win. D versus D we win. DemocratSinceBirth Saturday #121
I remember several women coming forward after Tara Reade. pandr32 Saturday #85
This message was self-deleted by its author usedtobedemgurl Saturday #103
Dangle $1 million each SonOfNebanaube Saturday #102
I was skeptical about one accuser, as she had a continuing relationship, but with four accusers? Nah, bye Eric Pompoy Yesterday #136
I saw the four women thing too. Linda ladeewolf 17 hrs ago #143
Why? Having Swalwell drop out now helps Democrats. yardwork Saturday #11
That's the problem with CA's jungle primary DemocratSinceBirth Saturday #49
Someone will. That's a certainty. paleotn Saturday #61
Swalwell is finished. DemocratSinceBirth Saturday #68
Yes, he is finished. But that's not the end of the world. paleotn Saturday #71
Four accusers whose accounts have been corroborated DemocratSinceBirth Saturday #75
Putting on a Pedestal Is One Thing WizumbODaSage Saturday #88
So Do I WiVoter Saturday #15
It was self sabotage Fiendish Thingy Saturday #2
Sometimes Democrats need math lessons OR, they need to think of the party before themselves. LeftInTX Saturday #123
Reason No. I-Lost-Count why victims don't speak out: They're seen as saboteurs. WhiskeyGrinder Saturday #4
These threads.... smh. yardwork Saturday #12
It's sad that we're still doing this EdmondDantes_ Saturday #13
He can still run. As a Republican n/t leftstreet Saturday #5
If he could up his numbers to double digits he could be a GOP presidential nominee in 2028. Vinca Saturday #16
Post removed Post removed Saturday #6
Speaking of banning... EYESORE 9001 Saturday #19
Darn!!! Did I just miss a visit from our resident troll??? niyad Saturday #37
How INTERESTING......... some_of_us_are_sane Saturday #20
Hmmmmm, one of our resident trolls, perhaps? And I missed them! niyad Saturday #39
Yes, the library must be closed today. Spazito Saturday #44
LOL!! some_of_us_are_sane Saturday #74
Probably niyad some_of_us_are_sane Saturday #69
Definitely not her first post BumRushDaShow Saturday #60
That doesn't really make sense, though. yardwork Saturday #8
This +1 Emile Saturday #14
https://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/primary-elections-california mikewv Saturday #21
Yep Lifeafter70 Saturday #110
Yes, this is a good point. True Dough Saturday #23
Ah but this is why it is such a cunning plot. Disaffected Saturday #36
And.....? yardwork Saturday #53
How many of those Dems have been as vocal as Swalwell against Piggy? MorbidButterflyTat Saturday #51
It's not a democratic primary, it's a " jungle " primary questionseverything Saturday #55
so all these former Democratic staffers - have reemerged as Republican operatives .. ? stopdiggin Saturday #10
You are 100% correct ABC123Easy Saturday #17
It's a lot better for these accusations to have come out now, LisaL Saturday #18
I am a Katie Porter fan myself! BlueMTexpat Saturday #25
It wouldn't surprise me if it came from a Democrat. Renew Deal Saturday #29
I have to agree, so much infighting. 😔 nt Raine Saturday #129
Roger Stone did it to Al Franken. The Wizard Saturday #33
Took 3 weeks and 6 additional women accusing Franken before the calls to resign EdmondDantes_ Saturday #38
in Franken's case, Stone definitely got the ball rolling but yes, Franken chose to resign. He wasn't forced out. LymphocyteLover Saturday #43
I don't think so. Think of it as a blessing this came out now and not further down the road. LymphocyteLover Saturday #42
Agree mikewv Saturday #47
I sure hope so! LymphocyteLover Saturday #122
Absolutely. MorbidButterflyTat Saturday #46
Tee yourself up and guess what happens? FiveFifteen Saturday #48
Sigh. So, we're still not believing the women. Political party doesn't matter, it's all about not believing the women. mucholderthandirt Saturday #52
So we should hang a man before we have any evidence? Autumn Saturday #108
100% this obamanut2012 Saturday #54
Why are these allegations only surfacing now? dlk Saturday #56
Did you doubt E Jean Carroll or Christine Blasey Ford? EdmondDantes_ Saturday #64
Apparently you missed the line in my post, "Women should be believed" dlk Saturday #111
One of the incidents was in 2024. And it often happens that after some woman finally comes forward, pnwmom Yesterday #138
Has Eric responded? GreenWave Saturday #57
He did apologize to his wife for "past errors" whatever that means. Otherwise it was a denial. 33taw Saturday #73
It means he had lots of extramarital sex. mr715 Yesterday #133
Simply stating what he said. I don't have enough info to have an opinion. 33taw Yesterday #134
Conspiracy theories always going to happen. Jacson6 Saturday #58
Better chance? How about just slightly above zero chance. paleotn Saturday #59
See if there is some outfit that is bankrolling them. valleyrogue Saturday #62
This perspective is bullshit. hunter Saturday #63
And these are very serious allegations jfz9580m Saturday #120
I agree. Remember Joe Biden. Let's get to the truth. Joinfortmill Saturday #66
It's the double standard Ibapah Saturday #72
Where is Roger stone in this? UpInArms Saturday #76
I thought you were going to say how our supposed ally, Israel, is really screwing the USA over and over. My mistake. nt Exp Saturday #77
We should know our candidates better. When they tell you who they are the first time believe them. Walleye Saturday #80
"repugs are playing chess while the Democrats are playing checkers." J_William_Ryan Saturday #81
I read the San Francisco Chronicle article this morning. cksmithy Saturday #82
He deserves the same hearing as the Dem refused Franken RVN VET71 Saturday #83
Actually that is not likely to be true karynnj Saturday #84
Didn't 16 or 17 women accuse TrumpenFuhrer of the same thing and REPUBLICANS DIDNT CARE??? NoMoreRepugs Saturday #86
I think the number was higher than that MustLoveBeagles Yesterday #135
Yes, if Swalwell is responsible for sexual assault, he needs be held to account Grim Chieftain Saturday #87
They did this to Al Franklin too (nt) Pluvious Saturday #89
If he didn't do anything wrong IMO he should stay in the gov race and immediately file a lawsuit in2herbs Saturday #91
No mater what, the timing is sus SpankMe Saturday #95
it doesn't "prove that men are scum" Skittles Saturday #100
Maybe a good time for this RoseTrellis Saturday #96
I don't think so... WarGamer Saturday #99
Why isn't abuse believed pattyloutwo Saturday #101
Exactly, this is a hit job. Initech Saturday #104
The reactions here spotlight the hypocrisy of the republicans liberal N proud Saturday #105
No matter what he is guilty of making bad decisions!!! Pisces Saturday #106
I'm a California voter... GJGCA Saturday #107
I love the quote, ""Love is not love / Which alters when it alteration finds / Or bends with the remover to remove." Martin68 Saturday #109
Epanalepsis, on the other hand... GJGCA Saturday #112
Love the Virginia Wolf quote. Martin68 17 hrs ago #142
She threw Biden under the bus too TexasBushwhacker 14 hrs ago #151
they are at war, we are playing by the rules. pansypoo53219 Saturday #114
They have abandoned the rules especially the rule of law. live love laugh Saturday #117
full scale cheating for sure. pansypoo53219 Saturday #130
Swalwell"s Staff Has Thrown Him Under the Bus Locutusofborg Saturday #115
Who always benefits from these things? That's where the focus should also be. live love laugh Saturday #116
This news about Swalwell sucks.... but IcyPeas Saturday #119
Face the facts.. raising2moredems Saturday #124
I think the difference is that the republicans support the nastiest, hidden elements of the government. They are the LT Barclay Saturday #125
I hear roger stone was in on this Clouds Passing Saturday #126
Until there is proof of misconduct he should not step down. If kacekwl Saturday #127
So Katie Porter isn't electable because she used a swear word, but we're supposed pnwmom Yesterday #137
I don't know. There's a lot of Democrats running which is being reported splits the vote and allowing the 2 Rs to Jbraybarten 18 hrs ago #140
This is just pure nonsense. The only ones who want Swalwell to stay in the race at this point are Republicans. tritsofme 16 hrs ago #146
Two things... grumpyduck 13 hrs ago #153
What is so hard to believe about a federal level politician misanthrope 2 hrs ago #158
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