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Emrys

(9,137 posts)
28. This is now getting tiresome. I didn't realize a good news story about Scotland would bring on the nuclear fanboys.
Wed Apr 8, 2026, 10:51 PM
18 hrs ago

Tidal stream installations don't have to "trash" coastal evironments. These I'm talking about are turbines anchored to the sea bed.

Nuclear power plants don't do much for seascapes either. And all your "technical solutions" won't save diddly squat if that once-in-100-year storm, that may soon be happening much more often if insurance company research pans out, overwhelms the seaside site and its operators and undermines or washes away the infrastructure. Electricty and water don't mix happily.

You can cook up any number of technoschemes to try to pump shit into a nuke, but it will have to discharge it later, warmer and no doubt more fragrant. London notoriously already has to recycle effluent to supply drinking water, so there's not that much to spare in our largest conurbation and energy consumer and the Home Counties that surround it.

I had to laugh when you tried to lecture me about pumped storage schemes. The most extensive network of them in the UK runs within a few miles of where I live and incorporates a large number of lochs and hills in the west of Scotland, which we can still fish and climb. I mentioned them earlier, so you might have guessed I'm familiar with the technology.

One reason the UK turned away from nukes was because they proved less economical than had been promised. We've also had some unpleasant experiences with, among others, an installation called Dounreay, which you can Google if you've never heard of it, a grand mess that will take generations to deal with and probably never be properly cleaned up as horrors due to appalling historic waste mismanagement keep being discovered, and Windscale, which you can also Google if you're not familiar with the name, which children of my generation had no choice but to know about, to the extent that the government eventually changed its name.

On a relatively small archipelago, we're a bit sensitive to that sort of thing for some reason.

What you do in California is far enough away not to be a major concern for me, so I don't understand why our windfarms are such a negative concern for you. I suggested above that you do what you want and we'll do what we want, as we're doing.

Read up about the European Marine Energy Centre and associated projects in the Orkneys if you want to be better informed and maybe stop talking nonsense about "trashing coastal environments":

https://www.oref.co.uk/orkneys-energy/wave-tide/

https://www.emec.org.uk/facilities/tidal-test-site/

https://www.orbitalmarine.com/westray-tidal-energy-project/

https://tethys.pnnl.gov/project-sites/orbital-marine-power-o2-emec

https://www.hydrogenscotland.com/orkney-completes-world-first-tidal-to-hydrogen-integration/

https://www.orbitalmarine.com/o2-power-generation/

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We could learn a lot from our European friends if we would get our head out of our ass. walkingman Yesterday #1
It has NOTHING to do with our heads up our asses. Conjuay Yesterday #2
Both are true. yardwork Yesterday #6
Scotland regularly generates an electricity surplus over its own requirements Emrys Yesterday #3
Decades of these kinds of momentary 100% reports demonstrate... NNadir Yesterday #4
This isn't a "momentary" surplus, nor is it unreliable. Emrys Yesterday #7
Nonsense. It isn't rocket science to understand that the wind doesn't blow continuously. NNadir Yesterday #9
I was just thinking the other day I hadn't seen an NNadir pro-nuke post in awhile AZJonnie Yesterday #10
Wind power will only prolong our dependence on fossil fuels. hunter Yesterday #13
Yes I've read many dozens of NNadir's posts over the years, you don't have to get me up to speed AZJonnie Yesterday #15
The best ways to halt human population growth are not coercive. hunter Yesterday #16
Nuclear power will have a similar effect Emrys Yesterday #18
Low wind and no sunshine cause renewable energy shutdowns constantly. hunter Yesterday #20
Hence my emphasis throughout on a MIX of resources Emrys 23 hrs ago #23
Trashing coastal environments with tidal power schemes isn't going to save the world. hunter 19 hrs ago #25
This is now getting tiresome. I didn't realize a good news story about Scotland would bring on the nuclear fanboys. Emrys 18 hrs ago #28
Bullshit. Hickley C will be saving lives half a century after every wind turbine in Scotland has become landfill. NNadir 23 hrs ago #21
Oh, bullshit yourself. Emrys 23 hrs ago #24
Nonsense yourself. I think you fit very well the description of an ideologue Emrys Yesterday #12
Could it be that's what the fossil fuel industry wants you to think? hunter Yesterday #17
I don't know why you think that. Emrys Yesterday #19
Human ingenuity sometimes (not often, but sometimes) Torchlight Yesterday #5
really good DoBW Yesterday #8
They will need to be bombed over this and their regime changed. Too threatening to Big Oil. (SARCASM). artemisia1 Yesterday #11
Gee. Who WOULDN'T want that for the USA and planet earth? Kid Berwyn Yesterday #14
Wouldn't it be great to read, United States of America temporarily ran entirely on wind power... Passages 23 hrs ago #22
And we get coal natural gas and oil. Klarkashton 19 hrs ago #26
he hated wind power becuase Turbines were in view on the golf course he acquired. Acccording to the Clown-in-Charge, OAITW r.2.0 18 hrs ago #27
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