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MineralMan

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7. We had two very good opportunities to avoid that.

Tue Apr 7, 2026, 11:50 AM

Yesterday

One was in 2016. Had we elected Hillary Clinton that year, Trump would not have gotten his foot in the White House door.

The second opportunity was in 2024. Had we elected Kamala Harris that year, Trump would not be in the White House now.

We did neither. There is strong evidence that low turnout in those elections by Democrats was the reason those two women lost. I believe that s the correct explanation.

Perhaps, if we manage to get another chance, we won't make such mistakes again. Hope springs eternal...

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When and how did it happen? [View all] ck4829 Yesterday OP

Murdoch,Limbaugh and the great redneck brainwashing of the last 25 years Blues Heron Yesterday #1

Lee and Hitler must be looking up right now ck4829 Yesterday #4

Hitler DID have a media propaganda machine. A pretty comprehensive one, for the times. Aristus Yesterday #34

Oh no, he had one for his own country for sure ck4829 Yesterday #35

YES! GaYellowDawg Yesterday #27

And I think in this case, psychology and socialization are factors here too ck4829 Yesterday #42

100% this Cosmocat Yesterday #28

All of this and more 31st Street Bridge Yesterday #36

That was so much another part of the decline, along with the electoral clown college ck4829 Yesterday #48

Yup. I'd even argue it goes back further. bearsfootball516 Yesterday #53

Talk radio was being fed pro-fascist propaganda planted by Washington Times. blm Yesterday #56

Consolidation of media,... magicarpet Yesterday #62

It was a continuous process. Trump is the end result dalton99a Yesterday #2

If Republicans have taught us one thing: They only go one direction... downhill! ck4829 Yesterday #5

Ask student Gaza protestors leftstreet Yesterday #3

Yep, I can see that. All factors for sure. ck4829 Yesterday #6

We had two very good opportunities to avoid that. MineralMan Yesterday #7

You're describing, perfectly, the manifestation of the decline. I'm curious, though, about what caused it ck4829 Yesterday #9

This is only one factor, but it is a big one LR3 Yesterday #11

For sure. Remove wealth inequality, remove right-wing politics and the decline for sure ck4829 Yesterday #12

I'm citing two specific elections where it made all the difference. MineralMan Yesterday #13

Agreed 👍 MustLoveBeagles Yesterday #14

I see what you are saying ck4829 Yesterday #15

Like going broke it started slowly, then fast -misanthroptimist Yesterday #8

Dang! Excellent points. Can certainly look at it like death by a thousand cuts ck4829 Yesterday #10

I am taking a history class on understanding Tree Lady Yesterday #16

Oh yes, a key part of the beginning of this ck4829 Yesterday #19

Social Media question everything Yesterday #17

Oh that is very important, media correcting itself ck4829 Yesterday #23

Citizens United. nt intrepidity Yesterday #18

Indeed, the ball rolling down sped up after that for sure ck4829 Yesterday #24

It was built broken, on a framework of white supremacy. If we don't dismantle white supremacy, we'll keep struggling. WhiskeyGrinder Yesterday #20

THIS Just_Vote_Dem Yesterday #22

For sure ck4829 Yesterday #25

The failure of Reconstruction and rise of the Gilded Age.. Taft splitting from Roosevelt haele Yesterday #21

Oh yes, others have pointed this out. We couldn't have this decline without the failures of reconstruction ck4829 Yesterday #26

Temporarily overcome by the country and people of muriel_volestrangler Yesterday #29

There is a cause and a reaction, definitely ck4829 Yesterday #31

Great lessons, all who posted. Really. All factors for sure. Read on them people reading this thread. I need to add this ck4829 Yesterday #30

So the circle really has nothing to post now, huh? ck4829 Yesterday #54

1770s Cirsium Yesterday #32

I see that, I want to believe in something more hopeful ck4829 Yesterday #37

of course Cirsium Yesterday #40

I would say it all started with Reagan. Lonestarblue Yesterday #33

Things definitely sped up downhill at that time during his term ck4829 Yesterday #38

Borowitz in his book "Confederacy of Dunces" Shipwack Yesterday #49

The Civil War and Reconstruction Johnny2X2X Yesterday #39

We really are. ck4829 Yesterday #47

I saw it coming with Reagan gay texan Yesterday #41

They really are gonna have to learn that way ck4829 Yesterday #45

James Earl Carter was the last of the greats. CoopersDad Yesterday #43

Before my time ck4829 Yesterday #44

Solar on the white house, Habitat for Humanity, his Malaise speech... CoopersDad Yesterday #46

"What was to come" - That is the truth right there ck4829 Yesterday #50

november 22 1963 to be precise. rampartd Yesterday #51

Would be interesting to see what happened had that day took a different course ck4829 Yesterday #52

WashTimes feeding pro-fascist propaganda to talkradio in 80s, begetting FOX 'news' in 90s. blm Yesterday #55

Hey, the Unification Church was also involved with the Washington Times, right? Sun Myung Moon made it happen I think ck4829 Yesterday #57

Sun Myung Moon had a longtime association with Poppy Bush blm Yesterday #58

Same here ck4829 Yesterday #61

We just got tired of progress in the 1970s meadowlander Yesterday #59

And that is so unfortunate ck4829 Yesterday #60