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Ol Janx Spirit

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25. A big part of the reason we rely on the F-15 is the F-35 itself. That program has been a disaster if we are...
Sun Apr 5, 2026, 10:53 AM
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...being honest.

The issues experienced when trying to develop this stealth fighter were myriad. And even now there is along list of issues.
On the physical side:
- Stealth Coating: The stealth coating is fragile and can detach during sustained supersonic flight, requiring specialized hangars for maintenance.
- Supersonic Limitations: Structural issues in the tail section have forced limitations on how long the aircraft can fly at supersonic speeds.
- Gun Accuracy: The 25mm gun installed on the F-35A variant is structurally inaccurate.
- Environmental Sensitivity: The F-35 is sensitive to extreme temperatures, with batteries struggling in cold climates (e.g., Alaska) and engines facing wear issues.
- Pilot Safety: Early pilots reported extreme sinus pain due to cockpit pressure regulation issues and erratic handling during extreme maneuvers.

On the software side:
The program's software development, particularly the "Technology Refresh-3" (TR-3) hardware and software upgrade required for Block 4 capabilities, has faced severe delays.
- Delivery Backlog: Delays in TR-3 testing forced the Pentagon to pause deliveries of completed aircraft in 2023, creating a backlog.
- Functional Limitations: Recently delivered jets have been equipped with "truncated" or ballast versions of upgrades because the full software package is not yet ready.
- Reboot Issues: Test pilots have reported needing to reboot systems mid-flight due to TR-3 instability.
https://www.defenseone.com/technology/2025/02/f-35-programs-software-development-isnt-getting-any-better-pentagon-report-finds/402725/
and
https://simpleflying.com/why-lockheed-martin-f-35-still-shortsfalls-despite-record-year-deliveries/

The DoD Inspector General released a report just last December that was pretty scathing:

One of the biggest criticisms of the F-35 remains its mission-capable rate, which continues to fall short of expectations. In FY24, the F-35 averaged a 50 percent rate, meaning that half of the aircraft in the Pentagon’s fleet were unable to fly half the time.

“This is 17 percent lower than the average minimum performance requirement,” the audit noted.

Maintainers have also been facing supply chain challenges in receiving adequate parts to keep the F-35s operational. In too many cases, “F-35 squadrons are also cannibalizing parts to keep aircraft flying instead of being able to rely on receiving parts from Lockheed Martin’s supply chain,” the report added.

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/new-pentagon-inspector-general-report-highlights-f-35-shortfalls-ps-011026


The full report is here: https://media.defense.gov/2025/Dec/23/2003848755/-1/-1/1/DODIG-2026-039_FINAL%20SECURE.PDF

We do have the F-22 Raptor, but it is rarely used in combat because it was designed specifically for high-end air-to-air superiority against sophisticated adversaries--not the kind of conflict we are in now.

So, despite being first developed in the 1960s, we are still building newer variants of the F-15 which is far cheaper to operate and faster to deliver than stealth alternatives--and it is still a very capable airframe that can carry up to 29,500 lbs. of ordnance versus the 5,700 pounds of ordnance the F-35 can carry internally to maintain stealth.

The F-35 Lightning II has a maximum total payload of approximately 18,000 to 22,000 pounds, but that is in "Beast Mode" using external hardpoints--so you lose much of the stealth capabilities. Once you lose that why would you fly a much less reliable and much more expensive airframe into battle that may require the pilot to reboot the computer mid-flight when the software it relies on to stay in the air becomes unstable?

Sometimes you just need to hop on the old reliable tractor and leave the shiny new one in the barn I suppose....

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I've got a goddamn question [View all] Aviation Pro Sunday OP
4th generation is going to provide help and support for 5th generation. Irish_Dem Sunday #1
F-35s can't carry enough kinetics to hit all targets and remain stealthy. paleotn Sunday #18
Exactly, cheap seats are the mules. Irish_Dem Sunday #19
Yes, of course that was what this was all about. OhioBack2Blue Sunday #2
If they really cared about the troops there would be no war. We can't have that. Srkdqltr Sunday #3
I'm so old I remember 'support the troops!' but have seen enough to know the truth is Attilatheblond Sunday #27
I have a gd question too. Air superiority. jimmy the one Sunday #4
But the airspace around them was being monitored by AWACS. Oh, wait.... TheRickles Sunday #5
Air space, not the ground so much. That's the problem. paleotn Sunday #21
I swear I remember them being retired and the F-18 taking over most of its duties. BootinUp Sunday #6
The F-18 is a carrier borne attack / fighter JohnnyRingo Sunday #8
Kinda the same reason Canada purchased the F-18 for flying over the vast empty north. Swede Sunday #9
Yes, but the newer F-35 used by AF, Navy & Marines has a single engine thought crime Sunday #24
I didn't know the Navy was using the new generation fighter planes. JohnnyRingo Sunday #37
That was the F-14 (think Top Gun), not the F-15s JHB Sunday #29
I recall the reluctance to deploy the B2 and the F117 in Iraq. JohnnyRingo Sunday #7
I like your "Woke" avatar............ DFW Sunday #10
Have they shown the pilot yet? kentuck Sunday #11
Yup Farmer-Rick Sunday #12
Until they're shown on US or Iranian TV, they're probably still on the ground, evading capture. paleotn Sunday #15
Being from Missouri, that is generally my M.O. too, but with this Reality Show Administration Attilatheblond Sunday #32
Good point. paleotn Sunday #33
I believe the crewman was rescued and we'll probably be seeing some video soon thought crime Sunday #28
Thats wild. BradBo Sunday #13
Feels like the Package Q raid on Baghdad back in 1991 paleotn Sunday #14
Wasn't a B-52 heading over there? Or was that just a rumor? LeftInTX Sunday #23
B-52's have been in use for several days thought crime Sunday #26
Standoff only. Way far standoff. But you know Shitler wants to see 500 lb. dumb bombs streaming from their bomb bays paleotn Sunday #31
Hopefully the voices in his head aren't talking about nuclear weapons thought crime Sunday #35
Oh please god, no! paleotn Sunday #36
Heard that too. Supposedly in theater now. paleotn Sunday #30
Made for TV war. Remember there are two Hollywoods now, the one in CA, and the other in DC, RedWhiteBlueIsRacist Sunday #16
Did you forget that today is Easter? Polybius Sunday #17
Because the night before Trump said, "We've destroyed their air defense capabilities" LeftInTX Sunday #20
FYI, Stealth airplanes do not exist. It is a selling point so countries will spend $B's on airplanes. n/t Jacson6 Sunday #22
A big part of the reason we rely on the F-15 is the F-35 itself. That program has been a disaster if we are... Ol Janx Spirit Sunday #25
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