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Ol Janx Spirit

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17. Well...as with everything Orange Piggy does..it is really yes and no....
Sat Apr 4, 2026, 02:28 PM
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Much of the order just directs agencies to enforce existing law--so nothing unconstitutional about that.

The parts directing the USPS--which has an odd status as an independent establishment within the executive branch--to involve themselves in how mail-in ballots are sent through the mail system could conceivably be ruled as something the executive branch has in their purview. You can easily see the current SCOTUS going along with that as not being part of actual election administration but as part of a federal responsibility that states must adhere to. States may be able to sidestep this by using another carrier--UPS, FedEx, etc.--but those guys do not necessarily deliver to every address like the USPS which is mandated to provide mail services to all Americans.

Likewise, I can see the current SCOTUS going along with requiring states that do use the USPS to provide a list of eligible voters in order to allow the federal government to "ensure the faithful execution of Federal law." Sure, conservatives used to be all about state's rights, but now they are all into the unitary executive's power...when a republican is in office at least.

The relevant clause of the Constitution merely states:
"The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Places of chusing Senators."

And it is not like there was a well-established postal service at the time. It was only later in the same Article that the Constitution granted Congress the ability to "establish Post Offices and post Roads". The SCOTUS "originalists" may easily argue that the Constitution did not contemplate mail-in ballots.

I can, unfortunately, see the SCOTUS saying that this EO does not actually infringe upon times, places, or manner, since it does not tell states they can't use mail-in ballots but only seeks to govern their delivery through a federal agency.

As with too many things we once thought were certain, this is likely not as much of a slam-dunk rejection as we would like for it to be. The simple wording of the Constitution seems to lend itself to all sorts of judicial shenanigans.

And clearly, this EO was written by the lawyers regardless of his signature. He could not tell you what even half of it means. But that also means it is probably not as far-fetched as we would like....

And you'll notice that he has stopped talking about privatizing the USPS. I wonder why?

You can read the order here:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2026/03/ensuring-citizenship-verification-and-integrity-in-federal-elections/

And more about Article I, Section 4, Clause 1, here:
https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artI-S4-C1-2/ALDE_00013577/

I wholeheartedly agree that it SHOULD be DOA, but it does not take a ton of squinting to see how the SCOTUS could validate much of this blatantly undemocratic order that is cleverly disguised by legalese as just another function of the federal government to "protect" Americans while not actually altering the time, places, or manner of state elections.

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Dead on arrival [View all] lees1975 Saturday OP
The Democratic Party should loudly advertise this. Jim__ Saturday #1
+1 leftstreet Saturday #4
My impression is that the Democratic Party is publicizing the order as a threat to our electoral system, which is fine Martin68 Saturday #27
He and the hacks on malaise Saturday #2
He knows nothing about the Constitution, and clearly doesn't care. yellow dahlia Saturday #3
Yes! BeneteauBum Saturday #20
Which is why they STOP teaching Civics in public Schools THEY WANT A DUMB, STUPID ELECTORATE. usaf-vet Saturday #24
Yes, but he is an evil genis in marketing & theatrics... OhioBack2Blue Sunday #41
His Executive Order on the NCAA is displacedvermoter Saturday #5
He thinks Constitution can be cured with a high-fiber diet Jerry2144 Saturday #6
I had no idea a Big Mac was high in fiber..... AZ8theist Saturday #9
Who was it a while back that referred to the Constitution as " quaint?" BattleRow Saturday #7
I don't know, who was it? ShazzieB Saturday #13
I'm having no luck,either.Im not even sure it was djt.. BattleRow Saturday #22
I believe that someone in the Shrub Administration displacedvermoter Saturday #34
John Yoo, Shrub Deputy Assistant AG displacedvermoter Saturday #37
It was Alberto Gonzalez, Shrub's Attorney General displacedvermoter Saturday #35
Thank you for the info and clarification. BattleRow Saturday #38
shrub has a lot to answer for, displacedvermoter Saturday #39
Most of what he "knows" about anything is wrong. Harker Saturday #8
So can our next President James48 Saturday #10
How about Nasruddin Saturday #12
DJ doesn't know jack about anything. He's a lazy loudmouth motherfucker psychopath. littlemissmartypants Saturday #11
It's ignorance blue-wave Saturday #14
Yes, they are. lees1975 Saturday #15
saw a similar report about a 'memo' that the reporter said 'authorized' Trump to do something or the other bigtree Saturday #16
Trump does not have to enforce the laws? pfitz59 Saturday #19
Well...as with everything Orange Piggy does..it is really yes and no.... Ol Janx Spirit Saturday #17
Key word in the clause, "Congress." lees1975 Saturday #21
Well, that's part of the problem here. They clearly learned a few things from... Ol Janx Spirit Saturday #25
Nice try Krasnov, you mofoking traitor! OMGWTF Saturday #18
Was hoping your headline referred to his trip to Walter Reed crazylikafox Saturday #23
I think it's just "who's gonna stop me?" Nt spooky3 Saturday #26
Trump may have accidentally torpedoed his own bid to seize voter rolls: analyst LetMyPeopleVote Saturday #28
I eagerly pulled up this thread, thinking it was a report from Walter Reed. Bluetus Saturday #29
My thought too! GreenWave Saturday #30
Oh damn. Susan Calvin Saturday #31
Darn. Your headline got my hopes up. love_katz Saturday #32
My apologies to those of you who got excited at the title of the post and associated it with his trip to Walter Reed. lees1975 Saturday #33
I so hoped this thread was about something else Maru Kitteh Saturday #36
Damn AKwannabe Sunday #40
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