General Discussion
In reply to the discussion: Trump administration orders dismantling of the U.S. Forest Service [View all]jfz9580m
(17,239 posts)This is tangential to the OP. But it is about accountability for these parasitic industries.
I want and need indirect harm and more to be result in serious charges against both: technology companies (ceos and individual malicious/negligent employees) and humans participating in barbaric experiments in the wild exploiting the form of Dutch courage that comes with mob might. Such mobs also rely on systemic gaslighting and plausible deniability. I see it daily and am determined to press charges by now.
Criminal liabilty is essential because these guys dont care about fines - the giants anyway. They amount to slaps on the wrist for large corrupt giants like Google, Facebook, Microsoft, Tata, Reliance Industries etc.
As for the mobs, if gang rapes are not treated as something where the presence of a larger number of men somehow makes the action more acceptable, group harassment should similarly be dealt with the same way.
The worst part is that these guys are complacent about it all being on camera thinking (mob) might makes right and a womans perception can be slandered easily.
And their sad surveillance Panopticons also capture data on innocuous if technically illegal activities like private medical marijuana use in technically legally grey areas. That lets stupid people think they can push the limits, bully, harass and bullshit without consequences.
And the burden of the proof should not be on survivors, but on all perpetrators big and small.
If the two-finger test for rape Is archaic, finding a tortuous path assailing the mental fitness of complainants and insisting on daft tests is a huge step sideways not progress.
This could be a tipping point. At any rate serious repercussions are unavoidable on a long enough timeline for all robber barons, slavers etc thus far in human history. Or women would never have had suffrage.
Democracy and enlightenment values are hard to permanently put back in the bottle using various forms of ubiquitous sophistry. Only horrifying industries like animal agriculture and the rape of earth have been largely immune thus far. Unsurprisingly then, a small corrupt group aside, humans are increasingly treated like confused chattel to exploit.
Still I am hopeful seeing more stories like this given where we are today (though it will take time to get traction).
This is from 2021:
https://www.npr.org/2021/05/04/993579600/snapchat-can-be-sued-for-role-in-fatal-car-crash-court-rules
But this is from yesterday:
https://www.npr.org/2026/04/03/nx-s1-5764306/big-tech-lawsuits-verdicts-accountability-social-media-harms
In 2017, Matthew Herrick sued the dating app Grindr after his ex-boyfriend used fake profiles to harass Herrick and send hundreds of strangers to his home.
Herrick's lawyer, Carrie Goldberg, argued that Grindr had made a defective product, because the company claimed it couldn't stop the harassment.
Advocates hope the early legal victories against the social media platforms will generate momentum outside courtrooms, too, to pass long-stalled tech regulation and to force change in Silicon Valley.
"If you go and look at what really changed the tobacco industry, it wasn't one thing, it was everything together," said Gardner, the child safety advocate. When it comes to tech, she said, the question is: "How do you actually create enough pressure that it will change the business incentives?
Where I live in the global south, gang-rapes, acid attacks etc. are relatively common as is street harassment. Treating the world like an open world game, that too on the order of years, must bring criminal liabilty for all participants, accessories and bystanders.
I have seen wannabe intimidating displays of of malice that almost certainly were not imaginary. The internet cannot bleed into real life in socially regressive parts of the world using nonsensical hyper libertarian arguments about Streisand effects etc especially as so many common forms of oversight and complaint filing have been laid to waste.
The real world and the net are not the same and bluster that is empty-headed or agenda filled will face pushback.
Pokemon Go has dealt with similar lawsuits. I have seen a sprawling mess of corruption and overtly malicious and invasive forays into private spaces that are clearly outrageously illegal, parasitic, intrusive and corrupt.