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MadameButterfly

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13. i thought your description of Keller's position
Sun Mar 15, 2026, 09:22 PM
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was fair, explaining the limitations of what they knew and how her position evolved. But your conflict on hearing her affiliation with eugenics reminded me of my family members and college community who made similar discoveries.

I still think when examining people's positions in the past we need to consider their experience of the times, even with something as abominable as slavery. Thomas Jefferson hoped to end slavery when he wrote the Declaration of Independence, but he lived with slaves all his life. There were abolitionists who wanted the South to secede, so the North would not be tarnished with it's evil. Frederick Douglass wondered how that would help the slaves. Douglass also experienced racism from abolitionists he worked with, and the abolitionist movement to a large extent was fine with leaving in place another kind of bondage that women experienced. Abraham Lincoln actively explored the idea of sending Negroes back to Africa. Going back further, Benjamin Franklin had to be taught by a schoolteacher that Negro children really were capable of learning.

These were not all people bereft of conscience and a capacity for empathy. They were raised in the beliefs and understanding of their time, with different levels of commitment to breaking with the established system, and without the benefit of our experience. Some of them, like Helen Keller, learned. Others didn't. And of course there were a lot of cruel people in the mix.

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Helen Keller: [View all] applegrove Sunday OP
I have gained a new respect for Ms. Keller--- lastlib Sunday #1
One of the first books I read as a child was about Kelller applegrove Sunday #2
I remember reading one too.... lastlib Sunday #7
Yes, me too senseandsensibility Sunday #8
That is so cool. I just remember the spelling of wa-t-t-er. applegrove Yesterday #14
I had that book too! PCIntern 21 hrs ago #16
I can't picture my book. I think it was blue but I'm not sure. We did not applegrove 15 hrs ago #17
Did you also get Weekly Reader Children's Book Club? PCIntern 14 hrs ago #21
Nope. No book clubs. applegrove 14 hrs ago #22
Understood. PCIntern 14 hrs ago #23
I just got Amelia Bedelia for my great niece. My grandmother applegrove 14 hrs ago #24
Never read it but distinctly recall PCIntern 12 hrs ago #25
I also had one about Ben Franklin senseandsensibility 15 hrs ago #20
Helen Keller was a strong supporter of the wnylib Sunday #6
I think sometimes it's unfair for us to judge people of that time MadameButterfly Sunday #11
My post was not a judgment of Keller. wnylib Sunday #12
i thought your description of Keller's position MadameButterfly Sunday #13
Canada's favourite person was Tommy Douglas who introduced applegrove 15 hrs ago #18
Yup. The application of the faulty scientific reasoning wnylib 15 hrs ago #19
"Then Nazis showed up on the world stage, did the holocaust, and that was the end of eugenics." TheProle 12 hrs ago #26
End of the progressive fad of eugenics. The right wing applegrove 11 hrs ago #27
Careful there. Helen Keller was a radical leftist. DJ Synikus Makisimus Sunday #3
I didn't know that but samplegirl 21 hrs ago #15
Helen Keller was amazing.. whathehell Sunday #4
The movie "The Miracle Worker" is so good. twodogsbarking Sunday #5
His6ory books never seem to mention Warpy Sunday #9
i was at helen kellers home. i didn't take time to go in to her house but i did walk thru the displays in her garden. dawn5651 Sunday #10
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