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bigtree

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13. we don't actually have a bill
Thu Feb 5, 2026, 08:32 PM
9 hrs ago

...and the consequences are as with any violation of the law.

What do local police and sheriffs do when their officers violate regulations proscribed by congressional legislation? That's the regime that's being proposed for ICE and DHS, no more no less.

You should recognize that this isn't Democratic legislation, it's a list of demands we expect republicans to adopt.

And recognizing that doing nothing is a failure on behalf of the Americans we're trying to defend with this negotiation effort with the republican majority.

Why represent this as a Democratic initative to a bill that Democrats control? No one should believe that effort would have any resemblance to this political effort to get the votes of a handful of republicans and the signature of trump.

Do any of the critics of this know how to achieve that political success; not just promote their own expectations which likely no republican we expect to vote on these demands shares?

Or would the critics rather just fight and not achieve any protections?

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I agree Progressive dog 12 hrs ago #1
language is weak. needs a list of demands and consequences IMO. prettyplease nt msongs 11 hrs ago #2
we don't actually have a bill bigtree 9 hrs ago #13
Bigtree, much of what you say rings true, but legislation is not the only political end Ilikepurple 8 hrs ago #15
I have to wonder, looking at the polls bigtree 8 hrs ago #19
act as if....set an assertive tone, hat in hand is not gonna cut it when stronger msongs 8 hrs ago #16
I don't agree that they are 'hat in hand' bigtree 8 hrs ago #18
I can't think of a single safety reason that would require a mask for ICE Bayard 10 hrs ago #3
and Democrats haven't allowed for any bigtree 9 hrs ago #12
Thank you for the discussion, bigtree. ❤️ littlemissmartypants 10 hrs ago #4
The demands aren't caving but I wish Shumer had been shouting and shamming the DHS and Republicans. nt ShazamIam 10 hrs ago #5
Anything short of abolishing ICE is caving Orrex 9 hrs ago #6
In the first place, these panty-faced goons are half-literate sadistic LEO rejects who can't Gaugamela 9 hrs ago #7
of course they're NOT inadequate, but we're not in control of what's in the bill, republicans are bigtree 9 hrs ago #9
Bless you Bigtree! BaronChocula 9 hrs ago #8
Here is what I don't get: James48 9 hrs ago #10
K&R mcar 9 hrs ago #11
This message was self-deleted by its author Scrivener7 9 hrs ago #14
Most of the people making those claims didn't even bother to read the details. FascismIsDeath 8 hrs ago #17
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