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9. of course they're NOT inadequate, but we're not in control of what's in the bill, republicans are
Thu Feb 5, 2026, 08:11 PM
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...this is a list of demands that Democrats believe is achievable in getting a handful of republicans' support needed to pass the damn thing.

All of those ideals of yours are for a Democratic majority, not the republican majority that's enabled all of this violence. No Democratic majority would allow this, so it's absurd to act as if Democrats can just implement what they want.

It's specious reasoning, and based on either a profound misunderstanding or disregard of basic political realities of a minority party, or a disregard of the importance of passing meaningful reforms RIGHT NOW that can be signed into law to SAVE LIVES.

Pretending like Democrats have the power to do more to influence REPUBLICANS to act by saying something or the other isn't a serious argument. Likewise, pretending that Democrats can just write in what they want to the bill and make it law is just false.

So, you're left with this demand that Democrats insist on what they know won't be accepted by republicans, or the president who has to sign it into law; hell, you should know that.

Just stand there and make demands. Or, better yet, do nothing and leave us without any defense while you shout at them until the midterms.

No fucking thanks. I want what's achievable now.

I NEED WHAT'S ACHIEVABLE NOW, and we can argue when we get the majority about the finer points of our individual projections for the party.

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I agree Progressive dog Yesterday #1
language is weak. needs a list of demands and consequences IMO. prettyplease nt msongs Yesterday #2
we don't actually have a bill bigtree Yesterday #13
Bigtree, much of what you say rings true, but legislation is not the only political end Ilikepurple Yesterday #15
I have to wonder, looking at the polls bigtree Yesterday #19
act as if....set an assertive tone, hat in hand is not gonna cut it when stronger msongs Yesterday #16
I don't agree that they are 'hat in hand' bigtree Yesterday #18
I can't think of a single safety reason that would require a mask for ICE Bayard Yesterday #3
and Democrats haven't allowed for any bigtree Yesterday #12
Thank you for the discussion, bigtree. ❤️ littlemissmartypants Yesterday #4
The demands aren't caving but I wish Shumer had been shouting and shamming the DHS and Republicans. nt ShazamIam Yesterday #5
Anything short of abolishing ICE is caving Orrex Yesterday #6
In the first place, these panty-faced goons are half-literate sadistic LEO rejects who can't Gaugamela Yesterday #7
of course they're NOT inadequate, but we're not in control of what's in the bill, republicans are bigtree Yesterday #9
Bless you Bigtree! BaronChocula Yesterday #8
Here is what I don't get: James48 Yesterday #10
K&R mcar Yesterday #11
This message was self-deleted by its author Scrivener7 Yesterday #14
Most of the people making those claims didn't even bother to read the details. FascismIsDeath Yesterday #17
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