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In reply to the discussion: Immigration authorities are being told "incitement" and "fighting words" are not protected by the First Amendment: [View all]dpibel
(3,801 posts)16. I think it's a bit more nuanced
Last edited Wed Jan 14, 2026, 10:30 PM - Edit history (1)
I entirely agree with you that application of any of these exceptions is pretty subjective and subject to surprising results.
That said, I'm not clear on how incitement would apply at all, and it appears that the fighting words exception would very likely not apply to ICE, given the application of the principle.
From your linked source, here's the general definition of incitement:
Incitement speech that is both directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action is unprotected by the First Amendment.
That can clearly cover a multitude of sins--I suppose, read literally, it would be perfectly legitimate to pass a law prohibiting people from saying, "There's no traffic coming. We can cross against the light."
But I'm not seeing how this really applies to the ICE/citizen encounters we've seen.
Clearly, fighting words is the more likely argument ICE would make. But that exception, as defined (I'm relying on the source you've linked--I certainly haven't researched these points myself) doesn't seem to apply to what ICE is feeling sad (or murderous) about.
Especially given that, according to this related article on the website you cite, you can be pretty nasty to law enforcement and they're supposed to be able to take it.
Here's what they say:
The very next year, in Gooding v. Wilson (1972), the Court cited Cohen and stated that speech that is vulgar or offensive . . . is protected by the First and Fourteenth Amendments. Then, the very next term, the Court reaffirmed this stance in Hess v. Indiana (1973) by finding that the pronouncement well take the fucking street later did not constitute fighting words.
In assessing the fighting words doctrine at this point, it is important to note the speech involved in Gooding. While assaulting a police officer, Gooding shouted, White son of a bitch, Ill kill you. You son of a bitch, Ill choke you to death. and You son of a bitch, if you ever put your hands on me again, Ill cut you all to pieces. If this speech doesnt constitute fighting words, one would be hard-pressed to think of speech that would qualify.
In assessing the fighting words doctrine at this point, it is important to note the speech involved in Gooding. While assaulting a police officer, Gooding shouted, White son of a bitch, Ill kill you. You son of a bitch, Ill choke you to death. and You son of a bitch, if you ever put your hands on me again, Ill cut you all to pieces. If this speech doesnt constitute fighting words, one would be hard-pressed to think of speech that would qualify.
The bolded part in the first quoted paragraph pretty clearly means that the kind of cursing at ICE officers we've seen on videos is constitutionally protected. It doesn't fall within the fighting words exception.
And if the language in the second quoted paragraph is not prohibited when aimed at a law enforcement officer, it is, as fire.org says, hard to think of speech that would qualify.
As a fun bonus, it appears that the standard is different for law enforcement than for citizens at large. From the same link above:
The Court also reversed a fighting words-type conviction in Lewis v. New Orleans (1974), ruling that the New Orleans ordinance that prohibited the use of obscene or opprobrious language toward police officers was too broad. In a concurring opinion, Justice Lewis Powell reasoned that police officers, because of their enhanced training, are expected to exercise greater restraint than the average person.
(Emphasis added.)
Finally, it's a question whether we're talking about criminal or civil liability. If the harm (as in, for instance, defamation) is purely compensable, it seems that an ICE officer faced with nasty words might have a case for damages. But I'm not at all sure it would constitute an arrestable, let alone capital, offense.
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Immigration authorities are being told "incitement" and "fighting words" are not protected by the First Amendment: [View all]
applegrove
Wednesday
OP
correct. those are accepted and established exceptions (within robust speech advocacy)
stopdiggin
Wednesday
#3
have no idea what you're saying - or how it relates to what I said. - - -(nt)-
stopdiggin
Wednesday
#11
So, when DonPedo said that he could shoot someone on 5th Ave ....he should have been arrested ! Right?
Bread and Circuses
Wednesday
#6