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eppur_se_muova

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20. Automation and cheap Asian labor has made it cheaper to replace than to repair.
Tue Jan 13, 2026, 06:22 PM
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You can now buy beginner-level musical instruments such as trumpets and flutes for under $100. They are usually made in either Taiwan or the PRC (sometimes Korea, but my *overall* impression is that the Korean companies are pursuing the higher-value markets, and put more emphasis on quality. Exceptions no doubt abound.) They cut costs to the bone, using cheaper alloys and thinner metal, and are often assembled with robot-installed screws that are, by design, one-use only. Machines screw them in with the screws cutting their own threads on the way in, and badly degrading them on the way out. In the past, repair shops would drill out a stripped thread, insert a brass bushing thread to fit a new screw, and the instrument would be almost as good as new, although the bushing would now be subject to wear and probably a first point of failure. Now there may not be enough metal to support a bushing -- drilling out the old threads may just break the post (or whatever the screw was in). If you buy one of these instruments for your kid to play in band class, know that the cost of any repair will probably be 50% or more of the cost of a new instrument. With a flute or clarinet, you can throw out the joint with the damage and replace it with one from a new instrument, and hope the next time there's damage it's on a different joint so you can "cannibalize" the new to keep the old working! With trumpets the most common damage is most likely to the thread on the valve caps, which are made of such thin metal that the threads must be very fine, and finer threads in soft metal are easier to cross-thread. Once the threads are damaged, re-threading is not an option -- too little metal, and too weak. An experienced repairman can de-solder an assembled valve casing and replace a damaged valve, but I've been told that the mass-produced trumpets from China tend to desolder everywhere if you heat them anywhere -- basically, the valve assembly will fall apart as fast as you can repair. Buy a new trumpet.

Of course, this is even more true with electronic devices -- they get smaller and cheaper every year, and repair becomes almost impossible because of the specialized knowledge and parts required. Junk and replace is faster, cheaper, AND easier. It's hard to see how this trend can be mitigated at all.

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It started with farmers spending $$$$$$ on tractors/combines with no ability to repair hlthe2b Tuesday #1
Speaking of Amazon, I recently needed a skin graph after my MOHs surgery. Dr. ordered it from Amazon. Who knew! SheilaAnn Tuesday #3
Well, they want to sell everything... hlthe2b Tuesday #8
I thought she was kidding at first but voila. $8,000 worth. She said they do have an extensive medical dept. n/t SheilaAnn Tuesday #12
Amazon has its own online pharmacy. ananda Tuesday #24
HEB rocks! hamsterjill 23 hrs ago #54
Me too! ananda 22 hrs ago #55
They are an amazing company. hamsterjill 21 hrs ago #56
They just took my skin graft off of me fargone 23 hrs ago #53
What's preventing repair of this item? bucolic_frolic Tuesday #2
There is no way for me to disassemble the heater to access the area Coventina Tuesday #7
Oh, now I see where you're coming from bucolic_frolic Tuesday #14
I think that's called a "tip switch", because it triggers when the device tips over. surrealAmerican Tuesday #4
Point taken. But I also feel that "planned obsolescence" is a major problem as well. Coventina Tuesday #10
Bought a cheap little space heater for my house this winter. Cost $35 at $ Gen. Have allegorical oracle 21 hrs ago #57
Absolutely! SheltieLover Tuesday #5
Having the legal right to repair is not the same as having stuff that is possible to repair. Intractable Tuesday #6
I understand and agree. I guess I was envisioning a return to a time (haha!) Coventina Tuesday #11
Automation and cheap Asian labor has made it cheaper to replace than to repair. eppur_se_muova Tuesday #20
Repair shops and repair people remain common in low-income areas Prairie Gates Wednesday #42
I think it's an extremely important issue canetoad Tuesday #9
Pollution and waste is corporate design. Blue Full Moon Tuesday #13
Ask any farmer that owns a large piece of equipment made by John Deere A HERETIC I AM Tuesday #15
Right to ForgedCrank Tuesday #16
"The goal is that you will own nothing and like it." Jedi Guy Tuesday #35
Heck, Apple could be accused of planned obsolescence -- every new iphone model means allegorical oracle 20 hrs ago #58
Oh yes, Apple is well known to engage in planned obsolescence. Jedi Guy 16 hrs ago #59
Any device that is held together with screws can be opened. :) eppur_se_muova Tuesday #17
As "A HERETIC I AM" posted earlier, John Deere is the poster child for walkingman Tuesday #18
Have you heard of the black market for John Deere software? A HERETIC I AM Tuesday #30
Frequently screws are hidden under decals. Prairie_Seagull Tuesday #19
"Removing sticker violates warranty" is old hat on hard drives and other computer components. eppur_se_muova Tuesday #22
BMW has applied for a patent on a proprietary screw, so only their dealers and servicemen can repair your car. eppur_se_muova Tuesday #21
YES, I think it's important Raine Tuesday #23
"Right to Repair" doesn't mean it has to be easy to repair or that all parts have to be made available MichMan Tuesday #25
The issue here is DRM as well Oneironaut Wednesday #44
If you own a John Deere product it sure is. It needs to be stopped now before more of us with other products get stuck. marble falls Tuesday #26
yes. i need to be able to fix it myself rampartd Tuesday #27
"Right to repair" is extremely important, but your issue is not one of right to repair. NT. mahatmakanejeeves Tuesday #28
While it's not a burning priority for most of us right now. . . DinahMoeHum Tuesday #29
Trinket rich but equity poor. CrispyQ Tuesday #31
Don't get me started about cars Wednesdays Tuesday #32
Yes! Tasmanian Devil Tuesday #33
See if you can find a exact model cheap, that doesn't work, but you can pull parts off of it. n/t aggiesal Tuesday #34
I believe in a right to repair kbowman Tuesday #36
This is bigger than repairs MadameButterfly Tuesday #37
Not me. ForgedCrank Tuesday #39
Everything shouldn't be computerized and high tech MadameButterfly Wednesday #41
products made and not quality maliaSmith Tuesday #38
We have an appliance repair guy who keeps telling us MadameButterfly Wednesday #43
He is 100% correct. Newer models are for energy efficiency, not durability or even serviceability dalton99a Wednesday #45
i wonder if they are even saving energy if you consider MadameButterfly Wednesday #47
What really annoys me... CaptainTruth Tuesday #40
YES rictofen Wednesday #48
Right? Scott Alan Swaggerty Yesterday #50
That ship sailed a long time ago with American businesses. GoodRaisin Wednesday #46
Yes. Scott Alan Swaggerty Yesterday #49
Right to repair is a pretty big issue. tirebiter Yesterday #51
LOL, it was given to me, but point taken. Coventina Yesterday #52
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