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38. THEY DON'T CONTROL THE BUDGET
Tue Jan 13, 2026, 01:46 PM
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...this is specious.

Republicans are in control of that.

I get that Truthout thinks it's more important right now to confront Democrats who they know well don't have the ability to advance a funding bill to the floor of the House, much less in committee, as the minority party.

That goes for the Senate, as well. This gotcha game is something I'd more expect from republicans looking to deflect from their own responsibilities, rather than anyone seriously looking to address the actual source of the money that's being used.

Democratic leaders don't make decisions like defunding an agency on their own, or by fiat. Those important decisions are made by consensus of the legislators in the party that are expected to organize the votes for important bills and initiatives. Moreover, it's the committees which advance those legislative ambitions, with Dems in the minority right now.

It's specious, for instance, to think Democrats wouldn't address ICE funding in a budget they advanced themselves with a Democratic majority. NO Democrat voted for the funding ICE is advantaging right now.

But that doesn't get you anywhere near addressing the money that's being used right now, and Truthout knows this, so let's break this down.

They want the Dem leaders to call for another federal budget resolution? In what universe is that going to happen? They maybe want a defunding appropriations bill... let's say we call it a 'rescission' of funds? Rescission power is completely in the hands of the majority.

So what is Truthout demanding? They want Democrats to make a feckless and toothless call for something Democrats not only have no power to do, but have no votes to effect.

Whatever you think of defunding, you have to realize that hanging the party out in the public with a toothless proposal that is little more than a target for the opposition is pathetic politics which is good for little more than the clicks and reposts this article received.


Jeffries yesterday:

House Democrats are going to have a
family conversation throughout the week
in the caucus meeting and in the whip
meeting about the path forward related
to these most recent developments.

We are unified behind the fact that under
the leadership of Primila Gyipol,
there's going to be a hearing that House
Democrats will hold this Friday in Minneapolis
as part of the effort to hold the Department of Homeland
Security accountable for its outofc
control behavior.

Now, it's important to understand
that a lot of the funding for ICE that
is currently being unleashed on the
American people, American citizens
in such extreme ways right now was
provided not through the traditional
appropriations process, but a connection
with the one big ugly bill that every single
Democrat and every single House Senate
Democrat opposed, every single one of us,
and that Donald Trump and Republicans
jammed down the throats of the American
people.

And so the funding dynamic that we have
to navigate as it relates to ICE's out of control
behavior is different in nature
than what may have otherwise been the
case because a lot of the funding that
ICE is currently utilizing comes from
their one big ugly bill.

And that's something that we'll collectively, you
know, be working on as our discussions
continue.


watch:




...if I didn't consider the source, I'd think this nonsense was bait from the republican opposition.

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I don't know if they want to reveal everything in their toolbox right now, so to speak Just_Vote_Dem Tuesday #1
Keeping one's powder dry. Kid Berwyn Tuesday #7
Seriously your comment is a bit reassuring vapor2 Tuesday #17
This is kinda the same argument many of us here on DU, including me, were making in regards to Merrick Garland, MarineCombatEngineer Tuesday #18
I hear you, but Just_Vote_Dem Tuesday #20
... orangecrush Tuesday #76
maybe we could try... ret5hd Tuesday #101
If a rogue militia gunning down American citizens with impunity is not the right time, what is? Scrivener7 Tuesday #102
1000% TIMES THIS. No more M.Garland-style hope. No more wishing Maru Kitteh Tuesday #27
Garland handed over a fast moving investigation to Smith who brought an indictment with more than enough time to convict bigtree Tuesday #48
Thank you! betsuni Tuesday #57
Hey there, posse pal! MorbidButterflyTat Tuesday #71
Giddy-up, partner! betsuni Tuesday #77
Yippy kai yay! sheshe2 Wednesday #128
Ever see Die Hard? MorbidButterflyTat Wednesday #129
LOL.... sheshe2 Wednesday #130
You're preaching to the choir MorbidButterflyTat Tuesday #70
When it was discovered he had stolen all that classified material questionseverything Tuesday #81
This! A hundred times this!! CrispyQ Tuesday #87
He for sure wouldn't be walking around freely questionseverything Tuesday #88
anyone looking at how high profile prosecutions are challenged and appealed bigtree Tuesday #89
If he was sitting in jail, waiting for trial like any other traitor would be questionseverything Tuesday #90
that possibility just existed in the internet fantasy prosecution bigtree Tuesday #91
We disagree and I don't feel the need to belittle you and that's your entire argument questionseverything Tuesday #92
lol bigtree Tuesday #94
Yeah right. choie Tuesday #33
Respectfully, I understand the optimism angrychair Tuesday #41
I appreciate the response Just_Vote_Dem Tuesday #42
No worries at all angrychair Tuesday #44
Thank you! Just_Vote_Dem Tuesday #46
Seconding angrychair in my hopes that you improve hamsterjill Tuesday #68
Thank you so much! Just_Vote_Dem Tuesday #84
This message was self-deleted by its author orangecrush Tuesday #74
They need to meet this moment leftstreet Tuesday #2
Sadly, I think we need to face the fact that they won't. And our Democratic popularity will stay in the tank. Scrivener7 Tuesday #105
Gosh I hope they don't listen. Everyone knows defund is a TERRIBLE slogan. Maybe something like "we want nicer ICE?" WhiskeyGrinder Tuesday #3
Seen on social media: I like my ICE crushed. CrispyQ Tuesday #8
Saw the same meme the other day peggysue2 Tuesday #65
Defund is a third rail term Johonny Tuesday #4
How about " Keep the Border Sealed-- Re-form Ice" Ars Longa Tuesday #23
Build the case that ICE is wasting money, on jets for instance. dem4decades Tuesday #34
I didn't want to defund them angrychair Tuesday #47
Unlike Defund the Police, this is a movement/term I can 100% back. n/t Ms. Toad Tuesday #35
"There is nothing impossible to him who will try." Kid Berwyn Tuesday #5
They could write strict regulations into the bill Fiendish Thingy Tuesday #6
what bill? bigtree Tuesday #59
My comments were in the context of positions the leadership could take Fiendish Thingy Tuesday #82
the members of their respective bodies chose them bigtree Tuesday #93
"It is the job of thinking people not to be on the side of the executioners." ― Albert Camus Ping Tung Tuesday #9
Wanting to neuter ICE is a political loser... biocube Tuesday #10
The only test they have to pass is a loyalty test. gab13by13 Tuesday #12
Yes they definitely need MORE money WhiskeyGrinder Tuesday #14
Oh! So the ICE murderer just wasn't trained properly leftstreet Tuesday #19
Yes, I think if we had the same requirements for police officers biocube Tuesday #22
yeah we know cops never murder anybody WhiskeyGrinder Tuesday #24
Nonsense leftstreet Tuesday #30
I don't see a lot of evidence pointing towards your assertion Torchlight Tuesday #21
More training for Proud Boys Brownshirts is not going to make a bit of difference SamuelTheThird Tuesday #31
Yeah that's what happened choie Tuesday #37
I have a question that I hope those with more knowledge on this can help explain Quiet Em Tuesday #11
Victims refuse JBTaurus83 Tuesday #13
At the very minimum, DISARM ICE C_U_L8R Tuesday #15
I recommend they never say ANYTHING aocommunalpunch Tuesday #16
Because complicity has been an effective response so far! Duncan Grant Tuesday #25
They should have a background check. No arrest Emile Tuesday #26
No wonder so many Dems are registering as independent now. CousinIT Tuesday #28
Something about beatings continuing until morale improves. n/t flvegan Tuesday #29
Schumer and Jeffries are legitimate, elected leaders. gulliver Tuesday #32
Wut? We can't call for the reining-in of ICE because we weren't elected? And we're trying to lose us the midterms Scrivener7 Tuesday #103
Both need to face a primary. This is being complicit in the torture and murder of US citizens as well as immigrants. Demsrule86 Tuesday #36
Schumer is not up until 28 SocialDemocrat61 Tuesday #49
no Dem leader could undo the funding right now bigtree Tuesday #55
No matter how many times it's explained who votes for leadership, fact refuses to sink in. betsuni Tuesday #72
seriously. I have a hard time believing that they don't know the leaders represent the membership bigtree Tuesday #78
I know. Now I have the urge to use "refuse" in every sentence. betsuni Tuesday #83
THEY DON'T CONTROL THE BUDGET bigtree Tuesday #38
Again big thank you. betsuni Tuesday #64
you're welcome, going back to my plough, now bigtree Tuesday #66
Oh, look! Facts. Logic. Truth. (Thank you!) QueerDuck Wednesday #121
Long worried about Schumer. Now worried about Jeffries. Nm Grins Tuesday #39
Defunding ICE maliaSmith Tuesday #40
While i agree something needs to be done Samael13 Tuesday #43
correct, I see less than half a dozen legislators in the article bigtree Tuesday #63
How large is too large BidenRocks Tuesday #45
Many Desirable Things Would be Possible if We Had a Democratic Majority in the House and Senate. MineralMan Tuesday #50
I would assume that both the SocialDemocrat61 Tuesday #51
Our nation survived for 202 years without Immigrations and Customs Enforcement (ICE) Thunderbeast Tuesday #52
ICE was only formed in late 2003 as a response to 9/11 and the Homeland Security Act. It's budget then was Nanjeanne Tuesday #53
Clickbait headline mcar Tuesday #54
"Little interest" - oh, that's so much better! I'm relieved. Thank God. (nt) Duncan Grant Tuesday #60
Better than refuse and the headline is misleading mcar Tuesday #62
Regardless, they are doing nothing more than make speeches. Duncan Grant Tuesday #67
"...impotent, cowardly acquiescence." MorbidButterflyTat Wednesday #133
You won't shame me. Duncan Grant Wednesday #134
It's designed to feed the anger of those who promote that Democrats "do-nothing" and "know-nothing" or... QueerDuck Wednesday #122
Yup mcar Wednesday #125
Post removed Post removed Wednesday #127
Truth...out. sheshe2 Wednesday #131
Oh yeah mcar Wednesday #132
I won't comment because I'd just get a post removed message CanonRay Tuesday #56
Close the border! Leave law abiding people alone! OrlandoDem2 Tuesday #58
Childish belief there are simple easy solutions for everything but mean old Democrats refuse to do them. betsuni Tuesday #61
Yeah orangecrush Tuesday #80
Childish belief the designated leaders do no wrong Mysterian Tuesday #100
Said nobody ever. betsuni Tuesday #104
Do you actually believe you "debunked" anything with this post: Mysterian Wednesday #111
You shall soon be implied to be a bad Democrat mr715 Wednesday #114
"Childish" mr715 Wednesday #113
I'd like to see new leadership. hamsterjill Tuesday #69
the members of the party elect their own leadership bigtree Tuesday #96
Well, it's time for a change in my opinion. hamsterjill Tuesday #98
Post removed Post removed Tuesday #73
Didn't we all just have this same argument last week? MorbidButterflyTat Tuesday #75
this time it's conveniently while Dems are meeting this week to make these decisions bigtree Tuesday #97
It refuses to go away. We will see it again next week and the week after that and the week after that. betsuni Tuesday #106
Makes me sick orangecrush Tuesday #79
When maga has run its course, there will be time enough at last to regroup. usonian Tuesday #85
This is war. They want to destroy us. I'm tired of nambie pambie pretending any of the is normal. flashman13 Tuesday #86
you don't even know their position on this, yay or nay bigtree Tuesday #95
Possibly you missed a reporter asking Jefferies straight up whether he supported de-funding ICE. flashman13 Tuesday #99
that's specious bigtree Tuesday #108
No it's not. It's more weak kneed non leadership. flashman13 Wednesday #110
Leaders lead. mr715 Wednesday #112
they are leading. bigtree Wednesday #116
The minority leader's function isn't really legislating mr715 Wednesday #118
'opposition messaging' is a canard in this case bigtree Wednesday #119
As you know, the Senate leadership mr715 Wednesday #120
'defund' is a word that you likely won't see anywhere in any messaging from the leadership bigtree Wednesday #123
Again, I appreciate this position mr715 Wednesday #124
""Statements and letters are not enough, and the appropriations process Scrivener7 Tuesday #107
They seem to be "re-fighting last year's election"---- Jack Valentino Tuesday #109
Why? kentuck Wednesday #115
that's nonsense bigtree Wednesday #117
I look forward to seeing their replacements take over. nt Gore1FL Wednesday #126
I'm not surprised. Perhaps we need some more quiet, deliberate consideration... mucholderthandirt Thursday #135
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