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DFW

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50. They probably will be hit with double taxation.
Fri Jan 9, 2026, 02:24 AM
Jan 9

Last edited Fri Jan 9, 2026, 05:00 AM - Edit history (1)

When you move abroad as a US citizen, you must submit all your holdings to both countries, and will in all likelihood be double taxed. I speak from personal experience. There is a Double Taxation Treaty between Germany and the USA. The Germans don’t care. When I moved to Germany, my accountant in the USA made me sign a waiver, because the Germans were demanding information whose disclosure would have cost him his license in the USA. Between both countries, I am being asked to pay 73% of my income in taxes.

ALL countries in the world recognize Residence Based Taxation—except two: Eritrea and the United States. When he called asking for money, I told Sherrod Brown that due to double taxation that every $1000 I could give him cost me $4000 in salary. I asked him if he even knew how many Americans abroad there were. He estimated 250,000 to 300,000. No wonder these Congresscritters don’t give a crap about us. There are about NINE MILLION Americans abroad. Probably 50,000 to 100,000 from Ohio alone.

Americans abroad are largely educated and working. Therefore likely a big Democratic majority. Our politicians are ignoring potential contributions in the hundreds of millions that now go to governments instead. Fine, but don’t come to me asking for money when I’m taxed at 73% and you’re not. So beware of myths. Money parked abroad is only “safe” if no one knows about it, and these days, everyone knows everything. And don’t waste your time wondering if there isn’t some American billionaire living tax-free on a yacht moored in the harbor of Monte Carlo. Even if there is such a creature, there are nine million of us who are not.

All my savings are still back in the states. Any country worth living in shares all financial info with the USA and vice-versa. I therefore see no reason to move everything to Germany, or even Luxembourg or Switzerland. It all gets reported to the IRS no matter where it is. Involuntary “Enteignung” in Germany theoretically ended with the end of National Socialism in the West in 1945 and with the end of Socialist Unity in 1989 in the East. But the machinery and the mentality that ran the mechanics of it during the Third Reich still persists. Don’t count on any Double Taxation Treaty to save you. It won’t, and the top tax rate in Germany (42% + 5%=47%) kicks in at under €100,000. Deal with it, or they will deal with you. I once got a notice to prepare to surrender my house because one quarterly estimated tax payment got credited to the wrong office.

Obviously, Canada, Australia, the UK and Ireland present no language problem. I have no idea what multi-lingual Switzerland demands of a foreigner, and I speak three out of their four languages, anyway, just in case. But Germany had a strict language test for residence. They checked me off right away, because I was already fluent when I applied, but there was a Russian in the booth next to me who showed up applying for residence with an interpreter. He was (politely) told to take a hike until he could come back and talk to them without an interpreter

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I just had the same conversation last night with a friend. Irish_Dem Jan 8 #1
I read where the IRS popsdenver Jan 8 #9
The rich have it all figured out by now. Irish_Dem Jan 8 #12
of course climate change is real rampartd Jan 8 #32
Melting the ice will reveal priceless resources the billionaires want. Irish_Dem Jan 8 #33
if they wanted to save money they would put the data centers on the moon rampartd Jan 8 #34
Consumers and taxpayers are paying most of their costs. Irish_Dem Jan 8 #36
ain't america great? rampartd Jan 8 #37
And maybe some microscopic entities they won't Ilsa Jan 9 #61
Billionaires don't care. They have state of the art medical care on demand. Irish_Dem Jan 9 #63
They probably will be hit with double taxation. DFW Jan 9 #50
I broke down in tears at a vigil tonight. yellow dahlia Jan 8 #45
We are all grieving the loss of our country. Irish_Dem Jan 9 #51
Is is worse than we thought it would be... yellow dahlia Jan 9 #58
Exactly. Irish_Dem Jan 9 #59
I wrote a "piece" that was a warning, and I toned it down... yellow dahlia Jan 9 #60
I dont have enough money to move and become a resident of a foreign country, its very very expensive. I wish I could Cheezoholic Jan 8 #2
If you can't move to another country, maybe try moving to a deep blue state thought crime Jan 8 #10
That's be nice. I cant. I have a small home in the country paid off. I'm 63 and disabled Cheezoholic Jan 8 #15
If you have a donkey, you'll be okay. thought crime Jan 8 #35
I'm in a similar situation Random Boomer Jan 9 #47
Moving anti-repub Jan 9 #55
I'm okay. thought crime Jan 9 #62
It's not necessarily that expensive cannabis_flower Jan 8 #16
Won't the credit card companies BonnieJW Jan 8 #20
Soc sec is protected from credit card garnishment Catlady123 Jan 8 #27
That's good to know even for someone like me who has no debt. llmart Jan 8 #43
No, they can't cannabis_flower Jan 8 #28
Like I said, 20 years ago sure. But I'll be lucky to live another 10 years. Not worth the trouble Cheezoholic Jan 8 #22
It is no longer cheap to move to Mexico. MoonchildCA Jan 8 #41
I understand her concerns, but the midterms (if they happen) will key to seeing if things can improve. Doodley Jan 8 #3
I understand your daughter's concern and yours. But I question this Dan Jan 8 #4
I have homegirl Jan 8 #5
Your daughter is not alone in that thinking Quiet Em Jan 8 #6
My great grandfather immigrated here from Italy Dave says Jan 8 #39
Ireland allows dual citizenship for Americans Quiet Em Jan 8 #42
I need to research it myself, not have others do the work for me, but... Dave says Jan 8 #44
Your daughter's situation might be a little different FakeNoose Jan 8 #7
Doing same with my daughter cpamomfromtexas Jan 8 #8
Good luck with all that, however Europe might not be terribly safe for much longer misanthrope Jan 8 #11
I told my trans kid in NC to make an escape plan, NOW FirstLight Jan 8 #13
Contingencies are made... WokeAintWhatIAm Jan 8 #25
I have a nephew who has moved to the UK mnhtnbb Jan 8 #14
All some of us can do is hunker down. Linda ladeewolf Jan 8 #21
I've had friends move to Spain and Norway TBF Jan 8 #17
My niece got an MA at Edinburgh University. stollen Jan 8 #31
My career had me circumnavigating the globe Dave says Jan 8 #40
I get that. stollen Jan 10 #64
Be safe. Joinfortmill Jan 8 #18
WHY jaymac Jan 8 #19
Words cannot offer solace, but now is not the time for that. WokeAintWhatIAm Jan 8 #23
Check direction WokeAintWhatIAm Jan 8 #24
Renes's family is saying otherwise. RandySF Jan 8 #26
It takes about a year from start to finish to get out ime Arazi Jan 8 #29
I don't know how to feel about people who choose to leave because things are difficult. Srkdqltr Jan 8 #30
How do you feel about the people who left Germany before the outbreak of WWII? Random Boomer Jan 9 #48
Yes, but i was just wondering how the left behind felt. Even if they survived? Srkdqltr Jan 9 #49
I'm one of the left-behinds Random Boomer Jan 9 #53
Ok good. Srkdqltr Jan 9 #54
I ain't leaving Nigrum Cattus Jan 8 #38
"The only chains, that we can stand, are the chains of hand in hand" struggle4progress Jan 8 #46
It is good you have the financial ability to help her. Many trapped here do not have such help. I wish her well artemisia1 Jan 9 #52
Thank you for your daughter's service LetMyPeopleVote Jan 9 #56
Are there safe places? GreenWave Jan 9 #57
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