General Discussion

Scrivener7

(58,474 posts)

60. Exactly. For a long time the argument was, "We're not in power!1!"

Thu Jan 8, 2026, 10:49 PM

Jan 8

That's the excuse for why we absolutely must not ask for our party to fulfill it's most crucial role while we are in the minority, namely to be our voice of opposition.

But here, we're seeing the future argument. Even when we get to power, they will insist that our leaders must never speak out without having a committee approve their words.

And yes, it is clear that this is consistently a demand that we take the weakest possible position in the face of unprecedented damage to our country.

I suspect most of those who are demanding that we act like dim cheerleaders in the face of our destruction have been manipulated by a few bad actors. Many are perfectly rational on other topics. But the bad actors are, indeed, suspicious and are really not that hard to pick out.

Edit history

Please sign in to view edit histories.

Recommendations

4 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

Sympthsical SunImp Autumn vanessa_ca

131 replies

= new reply since forum marked as read

Highlight:

Schumer and Jeffries not interested in cutting ICE Funding..... [View all] Bread and Circuses Jan 8 OP

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. I won't get fooled again. dem4decades Jan 8 #1

Except neither is the new boss SocialDemocrat61 Jan 8 #9

you were just lied to, but whatever bigtree Jan 8 #47

Tell it to this woman orangecrush Jan 8 #54

I'd love to see her appointed Speaker mr715 Jan 9 #118

Good idea orangecrush Jan 9 #125

Thank you. betsuni Jan 9 #74

If this is true we need new Democratic leaders in congress ! kimbutgar Jan 8 #2

Agree 👍 anciano Jan 8 #4

Post removed Post removed Jan 8 #3

They're expecting outrage at Trump to do so anyway... regnaD kciN Jan 8 #6

100% Truth. Bread and Circuses Jan 8 #16

I am just not that excited about either mikewv Jan 8 #5

Stuff like this is good fodder for the "controlled opposition" and bothsiderism crowds. RockRaven Jan 8 #7

Why are they referred to as "leadership"? Intractable Jan 8 #8

Precisely - what is this "leadership" mentioned in the preceding article? hatrack Jan 8 #11

Futher edits with details on the "leadership" discussed here . . . hatrack Jan 8 #13

We can always count on AOC to show leadership regardless of where she actually is in the pack. Intractable Jan 8 #17

What bullshit framing. And neither Schumer nor Jeffries have the power to do so, in the minority. W_HAMILTON Jan 8 #10

It should be the official position of the Democratic party, and enunciated as such by Jeffries and Schumer, Intractable Jan 8 #14

Yes it should be but it's not yet SocialDemocrat61 Jan 8 #25

That is absolutely ridiculous. Scrivener7 Jan 8 #26

It is absolutely reality SocialDemocrat61 Jan 8 #29

Absolutely ridiculous. Scrivener7 Jan 8 #31

Absolutely reality SocialDemocrat61 Jan 8 #32

Maybe in the world of people who need to insist that Democrats are useless wimps Scrivener7 Jan 8 #34

It is the reality of how things work in congress SocialDemocrat61 Jan 8 #36

It is not always being a wimp to not show your cards at the begining of the hand Attilatheblond Jan 9 #123

Telling people that, when Democrats are in power, Scrivener7 Jan 9 #126

I thought they were elected to represent their constituents. Gore1FL Jan 9 #80

Apparently so SocialDemocrat61 Jan 9 #88

No. It's weird made-up nonsense. Scrivener7 Jan 9 #95

Leadership should, perhaps maybe, I don't know - lead? mr715 Jan 9 #103

Nancy Pelosi was bashed for supposedly personally holding up impeachment and oh how horrible betsuni Jan 9 #82

Trump is the disease. Gore1FL Jan 9 #93

I disagree with this assessment. mr715 Jan 9 #110

ICE should be disbanded orangecrush Jan 8 #38

The question that was asked was specifically whether they'd rein in ICE when they regain the majority. Scrivener7 Jan 8 #18

Your framing is the one one in error. Did you even bother to read the first 2 paragraphs of the article? Celerity Jan 8 #20

The posse always shows up orangecrush Jan 8 #57

You mean the ones that defend bullshit attacks on Democrats on a Democratic-supporting website? W_HAMILTON Jan 9 #75

Meaning the reality based community who don't gullibly fall for conspiracy theories and disinformation. betsuni Jan 9 #90

The OP's title -- different from the article's -- implies otherwise. W_HAMILTON Jan 9 #72

46 Democrats voted for the Laiken Riley act LuvLoogie Jan 8 #24

+1 leftstreet Jan 8 #42

And none of that would have prevented what happened, but you know what would have? W_HAMILTON Jan 9 #77

The 12 votes would be enough to have filibustered the bill LuvLoogie Jan 9 #94

IT DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER. VOTERS VOTED IN FASCISTS. FASCISTS DON'T GIVE A DAMN ABOUT SENATE VOTES. W_HAMILTON Jan 9 #99

You tell the targets of this racist regime that "IT DOESN"T FUCKING MATTER" LuvLoogie Jan 9 #131

I agree it's due to bullshit framing, but the framing being done by Schumer and Jeffries crimycarny Jan 8 #27

"End up like a dog that's been beat too much Jack Valentino Jan 8 #48

Perfect! crimycarny Jan 8 #56

I think the writing is already on that wall. We need new dogs. And we have a really good bench, Scrivener7 Jan 8 #63

They have the power to say they oppose funding ICE orangecrush Jan 8 #37

Did they fucking say they support it either? Hell no they didn't. W_HAMILTON Jan 8 #68

No they didn't say anything orangecrush Jan 8 #69

And yet people like you assume that means the worst. W_HAMILTON Jan 9 #76

The law of automatically assuming the worst evil intentions, mocking realty of minorities and not enough votes. betsuni Jan 9 #83

It's too bad. Words have power. Autumn Jan 9 #97

... orangecrush Jan 9 #98

Please see my expanded thoughts Bread and Circuses Jan 8 #51

Did you see the other comments today made by Jeffries and Schumer? They have done that. W_HAMILTON Jan 9 #78

This message was self-deleted by its author SSJVegeta Jan 8 #12

Jesus H. Christ. "Asked about whether Democrats would rein in ICE spending Scrivener7 Jan 8 #15

That would have been the SMART response Bread and Circuses Jan 8 #19

I just don't get it. Just friggin' say, "Yes." How hard is that? WHY in God's name wouldn't they? Scrivener7 Jan 8 #22

It is also the easy response. nt mr715 Jan 9 #121

They think that by being soft, they can't be accused of being soft BeyondGeography Jan 9 #108

It's crazy. And what people here are doing is insisting on weakness from our leaders. Scrivener7 Jan 9 #111

My guess is they are trying to avoid the "Defund the police" label. Raven123 Jan 8 #21

When you have no ongoing platform and no spokespersons pounding the table every day ... usonian Jan 8 #46

Exactly crimycarny Jan 9 #106

Same geniuses (Jeffries and Schumer) who wouldn't endorse Mandami out of the same political cowardness crimycarny Jan 8 #58

I agree with your last statement Raven123 Jan 9 #91

They are going to have to figure out a way to combat the media environment because that will only get worse. crimycarny Jan 9 #101

Then their names... purr-rat beauty Jan 8 #23

Declined to say edhopper Jan 8 #28

Declined to say is bad enough. Scrivener7 Jan 8 #33

It is bad edhopper Jan 8 #35

They didn't say they weren't interested in cutting ICE funding. There's no official position yet. betsuni Jan 8 #30

Exactly SocialDemocrat61 Jan 8 #43

And making promises they can't get enough votes for results in accusations that Democrats broke their promises or lied. betsuni Jan 8 #65

Post removed Post removed Jan 8 #66

No idea SocialDemocrat61 Jan 8 #70

Why do they need to make comments on this ? JI7 Jan 8 #39

Because ICE just murdered a woman in cold blood on an American street while she was doing the school run Scrivener7 Jan 8 #50

The reality is those disgusted by this already oppose Republicans JI7 Jan 9 #73

Messaging crimycarny Jan 8 #59

Overwhelming? SocialDemocrat61 Jan 8 #71

Considering a 3 way race crimycarny Jan 9 #81

What's a milquetoast Dem? SocialDemocrat61 Jan 9 #87

A milquetoast Dem is like a ConservaDem but with half the calories. betsuni Jan 9 #89

Schumer is one crimycarny Jan 9 #104

And the polling data SocialDemocrat61 Jan 9 #120

?? crimycarny Jan 9 #122

You claimed SocialDemocrat61 Jan 9 #127

Polling data? Didn't Mandami win the primary? crimycarny Jan 9 #128

Ok SocialDemocrat61 Jan 9 #129

I believe there was a vote to condemn socialism after Mayor Mamdani won and Autumn Jan 9 #109

Lets be real mr715 Jan 9 #113

Sadly, the posse has arrived. This thread will now be derailed by sea lioning, straw-manning Scrivener7 Jan 8 #40

The apologies for fecklessness are starting to be just plain suspicious Sympthsical Jan 8 #55

Exactly. For a long time the argument was, "We're not in power!1!" Scrivener7 Jan 8 #60

Not having power provides us the cover to take bold, popular, moral positions. mr715 Jan 9 #115

100% And it's so undermining to enthusiasm Sympthsical Jan 9 #119

Yes--and to discuss frustration with tactics and messaging is not "bashing" Dems crimycarny Jan 9 #116

Agree. And advocating for new leadership is not bashing either. Sympthsical Jan 9 #117

I don't know. I'm pretty privileged, and my stomach hurts all the time these days. Scrivener7 Jan 9 #130

WTAF? MorbidButterflyTat Jan 8 #41

Agree and JustAnotherGen Jan 8 #45

Let's get the ACA Subsidies JustAnotherGen Jan 8 #44

ICE is OVER-FUNDED, for christ sake, courtesy of the "Big UGLY Bill"--- Jack Valentino Jan 8 #49

the caucus meets tomorrow bigtree Jan 8 #52

Post removed Post removed Jan 8 #53

that's complete bullshit bigtree Jan 8 #61

Calm down, son. I'm not "coming" at anybody here--- Jack Valentino Jan 8 #62

he is leading, but he sets his own priorities bigtree Jan 8 #64

Hakeem Jeffries is Leading... Sorry Cha Jan 9 #85

You want me to go against I.C.E? Shiiiiiit. DJ Synikus Makisimus Jan 8 #67

No wonder I don't spend much time here. Putting words in the mouth of what the Democratic leaders didn't say. lostincalifornia Jan 9 #79

You're right about the BS, but DFW Jan 9 #84

On threads like these I Cha Jan 9 #86

They need to step aside then JCMach1 Jan 9 #92

Simple, right? mr715 Jan 9 #107

A very wise man said. "There comes a time when silence is betrayal." Autumn Jan 9 #112

Yeah. I see. Autumn Jan 9 #96

They are afraid they will be called "anti-immigration reform". kentuck Jan 9 #100

"They are afraid" mr715 Jan 9 #102

Mayor Mamdani reaffirmed NYC's sanctuary city status mr715 Jan 9 #105

I am for full defundind AND abolishing ICE. Dawson Leery Jan 9 #114

Some Dem leadership is too busy confirming Trump's judges it seems. flvegan Jan 9 #124