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Sympthsical

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55. The apologies for fecklessness are starting to be just plain suspicious

Thu Jan 8, 2026, 10:34 PM

Jan 8

It seems no matter what is going on, no matter how ripe the moment, no matter how vital and appropriate the cause, some people will always gallop in to insist that our party stake out the weakest possible position (while declaring this weakness is the True Democratic Policy that only the very loyal are smart enough to glom onto).

At some point the question has to be asked - where does this sabotaging come from? Is it instinct born of spinelessness or is it insidiously full of intent?

Because saying, "No no, it's fine. We should do nothing, say nothing," is completely insane to me. And I imagine it would sound insane to 95% of the average Democratic voters.

Whose interests are really at play here?

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Schumer and Jeffries not interested in cutting ICE Funding..... [View all] Bread and Circuses Jan 8 OP

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. I won't get fooled again. dem4decades Jan 8 #1

Except neither is the new boss SocialDemocrat61 Jan 8 #9

you were just lied to, but whatever bigtree Jan 8 #47

Tell it to this woman orangecrush Jan 8 #54

I'd love to see her appointed Speaker mr715 Friday #118

Good idea orangecrush Friday #125

Thank you. betsuni Friday #74

If this is true we need new Democratic leaders in congress ! kimbutgar Jan 8 #2

Agree 👍 anciano Jan 8 #4

Post removed Post removed Jan 8 #3

They're expecting outrage at Trump to do so anyway... regnaD kciN Jan 8 #6

100% Truth. Bread and Circuses Jan 8 #16

I am just not that excited about either mikewv Jan 8 #5

Stuff like this is good fodder for the "controlled opposition" and bothsiderism crowds. RockRaven Jan 8 #7

Why are they referred to as "leadership"? Intractable Jan 8 #8

Precisely - what is this "leadership" mentioned in the preceding article? hatrack Jan 8 #11

Futher edits with details on the "leadership" discussed here . . . hatrack Jan 8 #13

We can always count on AOC to show leadership regardless of where she actually is in the pack. Intractable Jan 8 #17

What bullshit framing. And neither Schumer nor Jeffries have the power to do so, in the minority. W_HAMILTON Jan 8 #10

It should be the official position of the Democratic party, and enunciated as such by Jeffries and Schumer, Intractable Jan 8 #14

Yes it should be but it's not yet SocialDemocrat61 Jan 8 #25

That is absolutely ridiculous. Scrivener7 Jan 8 #26

It is absolutely reality SocialDemocrat61 Jan 8 #29

Absolutely ridiculous. Scrivener7 Jan 8 #31

Absolutely reality SocialDemocrat61 Jan 8 #32

Maybe in the world of people who need to insist that Democrats are useless wimps Scrivener7 Jan 8 #34

It is the reality of how things work in congress SocialDemocrat61 Jan 8 #36

It is not always being a wimp to not show your cards at the begining of the hand Attilatheblond Friday #123

Telling people that, when Democrats are in power, Scrivener7 Friday #126

I thought they were elected to represent their constituents. Gore1FL Friday #80

Apparently so SocialDemocrat61 Friday #88

No. It's weird made-up nonsense. Scrivener7 Friday #95

Leadership should, perhaps maybe, I don't know - lead? mr715 Friday #103

Nancy Pelosi was bashed for supposedly personally holding up impeachment and oh how horrible betsuni Friday #82

Trump is the disease. Gore1FL Friday #93

I disagree with this assessment. mr715 Friday #110

ICE should be disbanded orangecrush Jan 8 #38

The question that was asked was specifically whether they'd rein in ICE when they regain the majority. Scrivener7 Jan 8 #18

Your framing is the one one in error. Did you even bother to read the first 2 paragraphs of the article? Celerity Jan 8 #20

The posse always shows up orangecrush Jan 8 #57

You mean the ones that defend bullshit attacks on Democrats on a Democratic-supporting website? W_HAMILTON Friday #75

Meaning the reality based community who don't gullibly fall for conspiracy theories and disinformation. betsuni Friday #90

The OP's title -- different from the article's -- implies otherwise. W_HAMILTON Friday #72

46 Democrats voted for the Laiken Riley act LuvLoogie Jan 8 #24

+1 leftstreet Jan 8 #42

And none of that would have prevented what happened, but you know what would have? W_HAMILTON Friday #77

The 12 votes would be enough to have filibustered the bill LuvLoogie Friday #94

IT DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER. VOTERS VOTED IN FASCISTS. FASCISTS DON'T GIVE A DAMN ABOUT SENATE VOTES. W_HAMILTON Friday #99

You tell the targets of this racist regime that "IT DOESN"T FUCKING MATTER" LuvLoogie Friday #131

I agree it's due to bullshit framing, but the framing being done by Schumer and Jeffries crimycarny Jan 8 #27

"End up like a dog that's been beat too much Jack Valentino Jan 8 #48

Perfect! crimycarny Jan 8 #56

I think the writing is already on that wall. We need new dogs. And we have a really good bench, Scrivener7 Jan 8 #63

They have the power to say they oppose funding ICE orangecrush Jan 8 #37

Did they fucking say they support it either? Hell no they didn't. W_HAMILTON Jan 8 #68

No they didn't say anything orangecrush Jan 8 #69

And yet people like you assume that means the worst. W_HAMILTON Friday #76

The law of automatically assuming the worst evil intentions, mocking realty of minorities and not enough votes. betsuni Friday #83

It's too bad. Words have power. Autumn Friday #97

... orangecrush Friday #98

Please see my expanded thoughts Bread and Circuses Jan 8 #51

Did you see the other comments today made by Jeffries and Schumer? They have done that. W_HAMILTON Friday #78

This message was self-deleted by its author SSJVegeta Jan 8 #12

Jesus H. Christ. "Asked about whether Democrats would rein in ICE spending Scrivener7 Jan 8 #15

That would have been the SMART response Bread and Circuses Jan 8 #19

I just don't get it. Just friggin' say, "Yes." How hard is that? WHY in God's name wouldn't they? Scrivener7 Jan 8 #22

It is also the easy response. nt mr715 Friday #121

They think that by being soft, they can't be accused of being soft BeyondGeography Friday #108

It's crazy. And what people here are doing is insisting on weakness from our leaders. Scrivener7 Friday #111

My guess is they are trying to avoid the "Defund the police" label. Raven123 Jan 8 #21

When you have no ongoing platform and no spokespersons pounding the table every day ... usonian Jan 8 #46

Exactly crimycarny Friday #106

Same geniuses (Jeffries and Schumer) who wouldn't endorse Mandami out of the same political cowardness crimycarny Jan 8 #58

I agree with your last statement Raven123 Friday #91

They are going to have to figure out a way to combat the media environment because that will only get worse. crimycarny Friday #101

Then their names... purr-rat beauty Jan 8 #23

Declined to say edhopper Jan 8 #28

Declined to say is bad enough. Scrivener7 Jan 8 #33

It is bad edhopper Jan 8 #35

They didn't say they weren't interested in cutting ICE funding. There's no official position yet. betsuni Jan 8 #30

Exactly SocialDemocrat61 Jan 8 #43

And making promises they can't get enough votes for results in accusations that Democrats broke their promises or lied. betsuni Jan 8 #65

Post removed Post removed Jan 8 #66

No idea SocialDemocrat61 Jan 8 #70

Why do they need to make comments on this ? JI7 Jan 8 #39

Because ICE just murdered a woman in cold blood on an American street while she was doing the school run Scrivener7 Jan 8 #50

The reality is those disgusted by this already oppose Republicans JI7 Friday #73

Messaging crimycarny Jan 8 #59

Overwhelming? SocialDemocrat61 Jan 8 #71

Considering a 3 way race crimycarny Friday #81

What's a milquetoast Dem? SocialDemocrat61 Friday #87

A milquetoast Dem is like a ConservaDem but with half the calories. betsuni Friday #89

Schumer is one crimycarny Friday #104

And the polling data SocialDemocrat61 Friday #120

?? crimycarny Friday #122

You claimed SocialDemocrat61 Friday #127

Polling data? Didn't Mandami win the primary? crimycarny Friday #128

Ok SocialDemocrat61 Friday #129

I believe there was a vote to condemn socialism after Mayor Mamdani won and Autumn Friday #109

Lets be real mr715 Friday #113

Sadly, the posse has arrived. This thread will now be derailed by sea lioning, straw-manning Scrivener7 Jan 8 #40

The apologies for fecklessness are starting to be just plain suspicious Sympthsical Jan 8 #55

Exactly. For a long time the argument was, "We're not in power!1!" Scrivener7 Jan 8 #60

Not having power provides us the cover to take bold, popular, moral positions. mr715 Friday #115

100% And it's so undermining to enthusiasm Sympthsical Friday #119

Yes--and to discuss frustration with tactics and messaging is not "bashing" Dems crimycarny Friday #116

Agree. And advocating for new leadership is not bashing either. Sympthsical Friday #117

I don't know. I'm pretty privileged, and my stomach hurts all the time these days. Scrivener7 Friday #130

WTAF? MorbidButterflyTat Jan 8 #41

Agree and JustAnotherGen Jan 8 #45

Let's get the ACA Subsidies JustAnotherGen Jan 8 #44

ICE is OVER-FUNDED, for christ sake, courtesy of the "Big UGLY Bill"--- Jack Valentino Jan 8 #49

the caucus meets tomorrow bigtree Jan 8 #52

Post removed Post removed Jan 8 #53

that's complete bullshit bigtree Jan 8 #61

Calm down, son. I'm not "coming" at anybody here--- Jack Valentino Jan 8 #62

he is leading, but he sets his own priorities bigtree Jan 8 #64

Hakeem Jeffries is Leading... Sorry Cha Friday #85

You want me to go against I.C.E? Shiiiiiit. DJ Synikus Makisimus Jan 8 #67

No wonder I don't spend much time here. Putting words in the mouth of what the Democratic leaders didn't say. lostincalifornia Friday #79

You're right about the BS, but DFW Friday #84

On threads like these I Cha Friday #86

They need to step aside then JCMach1 Friday #92

Simple, right? mr715 Friday #107

A very wise man said. "There comes a time when silence is betrayal." Autumn Friday #112

Yeah. I see. Autumn Friday #96

They are afraid they will be called "anti-immigration reform". kentuck Friday #100

"They are afraid" mr715 Friday #102

Mayor Mamdani reaffirmed NYC's sanctuary city status mr715 Friday #105

I am for full defundind AND abolishing ICE. Dawson Leery Friday #114

Some Dem leadership is too busy confirming Trump's judges it seems. flvegan Friday #124