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Ms. Toad

(38,308 posts)
15. The only chance for his actions to be legal,
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 11:36 AM
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It's to arrest him on New York soil. Read the indictment, which is the legal framework for the action. It specifies arrest in New York.

It is possible to try sometime like Maduro and get a conviction - it was done with the former president of Honduras (the one Trump just punished.

It is blatantly illegal for Trump to invade a foreign country with whom there is no legitimate basis for military action and to capture it kill it's leader.

The legal posture is that the military was only involved to protect the justice arm in its extradition process.

I still believe the action is illegal - the circumstances of getting Maduro here are very different than the president of Honduras, who was legally extradited. But this was done under the color of law. What you suggest has no such protection.

As for presidential immunity - I know that has been suggested, but that decision was an interpretation of the US Constitution, as to the President of the United States. It doesn't extend to the President of another country charged with violating New York law.

As for all of Trump's boasting yesterday, he was doing what he always does when he has an idea he wants, but those with any legal training know won't fly. Those in the background create legal cover, them let him run his mouth. They did it very successfully with the flag burning executive order - while everyone was busy reacting to Trump's yammering about a new law and very specific penalties, they didn't bother to read the actual order, which said nothing about either one.

So yesterday (and still today), people are reacting to Trump's regime changed yammering, and ignoring the carefully crafted legal document - which provides legal cover ONLY for capturing Maduro and bringing him to the US for trial. The rest of what was being said yesterday i will destroy and pretense of this being a legal action. Trump doesn't care, but those running this particular show do.

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Trump looking for a big payout to give him a pardon. Emile Sunday #1
That's called conflict of interest.................. Lovie777 Sunday #3
If that happens, a case could be made MLWR Sunday #19
Who will actually make the case? relayerbob Sunday #39
Ding, ding! Hey Joe Sunday #27
Exactly relayerbob Sunday #38
Russia and China have other reasons for that EdmondDantes_ Sunday #42
Trump has been kidnapping people on US soil for a year now Irish_Dem Sunday #2
Not the same Jersey Devil Sunday #4
You are talking the law. I am talking reality. Irish_Dem Sunday #7
You are right. Many are not being deported but just held in holding facilities. Amaryllis Sunday #25
Yes. Kidnapped and held in detention camps. Irish_Dem Sunday #31
Trump is "taking his ICE raids global." sop Sunday #6
Yes Trump is taking illegal kidnapping and detention on a world tour. :( Irish_Dem Sunday #8
Or Maduro can just flatter him and he'll get a pardon. Turbineguy Sunday #5
Maduro and his wife only need to start telling the court and Faux Noise... Ol Janx Spirit Sunday #12
But, but, but.... Hope22 Sunday #9
Legal analysts on the news have said the opposite IronLionZion Sunday #10
I hadn't run across that yet. Ms. Toad Sunday #18
How long before Donnie claims Greenland is a major fentanyl hub? unblock Sunday #32
I agree as to the charges against Maduro - Ms. Toad Sunday #36
We played this game before with Noriega, president of Panama. patphil Sunday #11
Maduro didn't become president of Venezuela Farmer-Rick Sunday #13
I doubt there will be a trial - TBF Sunday #14
The only chance for his actions to be legal, Ms. Toad Sunday #15
Just one more "stupendously disastrous" stupid thing Trump has inflicted on America. flashman13 Sunday #16
Not a mistake but the act that provides the veil of legitimacy hardluck Sunday #17
How likely is it that any trial will take place before Jan, 20 2029? ihaveaquestion Sunday #20
A competent prosecutor will probably be able to get a conviction VMA131Marine Sunday #22
If Maduro is lucky COL Mustard Sunday #29
There is a precedent- Manuel Noriega VMA131Marine Sunday #21
Noriega was extradited, Maduro was kidnapped Jersey Devil Sunday #28
Noriega was captured by US military invasion IronLionZion Sunday #40
Guantanamo is a US govt installation. They would still be required to get due process there. ChicagoTeamster Sunday #23
Not so for Iraqis and 9/11 actors Jersey Devil Sunday #30
Wasn't the same done with Manuel Noriega? Melon Sunday #24
Noriega was extradited, not kidnapped Jersey Devil Sunday #34
Remember one thing: AverageOldGuy Sunday #26
the precedents were set with noriega, weren't they rampartd Sunday #33
Most world leaders know Trump is a pathological liar and sociopath and will see this as a show trail, a kangaroo court Doodley Sunday #35
Maduro's going to pay him off and move to Dubai relayerbob Sunday #37
Rubio: Venezuela strikes 'a law enforcement operation,' not 'invasion' LetMyPeopleVote Sunday #41
Were we assisting the Trumpezuelan Police? Jersey Devil Sunday #43
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