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Xolodno

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19. That's a very generalized statement that frankly isn't true.

Sat Jan 3, 2026, 07:03 PM

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For example, The Holodomor was initiated by none other that Joseph Stalin, by today's definition would be Georgian. I get it's fashionable to blame Russia these days for it, but in reality, the anger is misplaced.

Another, the Afghanistan invasion was approved by a Politburo that was predominately Ukrainian. It's one of the reasons why the Taliban is willing to let bygones be bygones in establishing relations as the Russian faction wasn't on board with the invasion.

Cuban missile crisis, Khrushchev was Ukrainian.

As far as sacrificing non Russian subjects, Tsar Nicholas II seemed like an equal opportunity butcher.

Now you could blame the progrom's on the Russia, but then you have to implicate most of Europe as well.

Again, I get it, it's easy to generalize and place blame. But when you dig in further, it's not so black and white. This is complicated history, there is no one blanket reason that will cover it all. And don't get me started on Jewish history of two thousand years ago.

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A dark topic, but...the Holocaust wasn't the bloodiest event of WWII, by far. [View all] sir pball Jan 2 OP

China also suffered twenty-something million dead (estimates vary) from '37-'45. RockRaven Jan 2 #1

Is it a contest? nt LexVegas Jan 2 #2

It kinda is... purr-rat beauty Jan 2 #4

No, and that's exactly my point. sir pball Jan 2 #5

Thank you for this post, my dear sir pball . . . CaliforniaPeggy Jan 2 #3

That's an AND, not an OR. Iggo Jan 2 #6

Is there a point to this? sarisataka Jan 2 #7

This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Jan 3 #12

Call me stupid, but B.See Jan 3 #8

I'm not saying it was morally equivalent. sir pball Jan 3 #20

No, it isn't. Rather B.See Jan 3 #33

In what context do you think people are ignoring it? meadowlander Jan 4 #37

There are people in this very post sir pball Jan 4 #38

Sure but what's the relevance for discussing that in a forum set up to discuss current US politics? meadowlander Jan 4 #41

Well, for one I was told to post it here, and two, GD is not "current US politics", it's "General Discussion". sir pball Jan 5 #43

Add to that the many millions Stalin killed Kaleva Jan 3 #9

Ethnic Russian losses were about 14 million during WWII Kaleva Jan 3 #10

Does it really matter? Xolodno Jan 3 #11

It shows that Russians were very liberal in their sacrificing Kaleva Jan 3 #14

That's a very generalized statement that frankly isn't true. Xolodno Jan 3 #19

Which supports my point Kaleva Jan 4 #34

Many thought WW1 was the epitome and would stop such savage aggression. Xolodno Jan 3 #13

Correct malaise Jan 3 #15

Adding the millions in Ukraine who died of starvation because no_hypocrisy Jan 3 #16

hey fyi this kind of score-keeping is often found on paths to Holocaust denialism and/or basic antisemitism and is not a WhiskeyGrinder Jan 3 #17

It's also how the nazis keep their victims fighting each other instead of fighting the nazis. Iggo Jan 3 #18

Nah, thanks. sir pball Jan 3 #22

Then why did you even need to bring up the Holocaust iemanja Jan 3 #23

To sharpen it. sir pball Jan 3 #25

You're making comparisons that other people also regularly make while denying the Holocaust. If you don't want people WhiskeyGrinder Jan 4 #35

ELI5 how am I denying the Holocaust, please. sir pball Jan 4 #39

There is a difference between people dying in battle iemanja Jan 3 #21

The Nazis absolutely wanted to genocide Russians, Slavs. sir pball Jan 3 #24

Why then did you say that you think the Holocaust was the worst crime in history? iemanja Jan 3 #26

Thinking of a crime and executing it are two different things. sir pball Jan 3 #27

This has an anti-Semitic undertones to it Bluestocking Jan 3 #28

Yeah, I expected this. sir pball Jan 3 #29

Remember Pearl Harbor Bluestocking Jan 3 #30

and the 16th through 19th slaughter of indigenous peoples in America and Australia DBoon Jan 3 #31

It wasn't just russians, but it did reflect Crunchy Frog Jan 3 #32

If you're counting bodies ... Kennah Jan 4 #36

I've literally said that here several times, yes. sir pball Jan 4 #40

That was the result of the Soviet system and a mindset Kennah Jan 5 #42