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165. This is a straw man, as you know very well, and you keep repeating it because you have no answer.

Sat Jan 3, 2026, 02:40 PM

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Also, you are not criticizing republicans "to everyone." You aren't criticizing anyone except Democrats who are asking for a united Democratic opposition. And you know this too.

I see no other explanation for your actions other than that your goal is to discourage people from calling for the use of our best resource right now, namely a united Democratic expression of opposition.

I will ask the question one more time, and if you reply with the same straw man, I will know (as will everyone else) that you have no answer, and I am right.

So, one last time: How exactly are you criticizing republicans "to everyone" individually today in response to this event?

We're not allowed, according to you, to ask our elected leaders to fulfill that function for us, which is one of their most important roles.

So how are YOU, today, criticizing republicans "to everyone?"

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Will republicans? SocialDemocrat61 Saturday #1

Will Democrats? Scrivener7 Saturday #2

So blame democrats SocialDemocrat61 Saturday #3

I would hope that Bettie Saturday #5

Little else they can do SocialDemocrat61 Saturday #6

How is expecting my leaders to speak and act for me in a way I support -- which is why they get my vote -- an attack? WhiskeyGrinder Saturday #7

Because they have no power despite your vote SocialDemocrat61 Saturday #9

You have a very narrow idea of what power is, I guess. WhiskeyGrinder Saturday #11

Their "power" (words) will be ridiculed as "fist-shaking" and "sternly written letters"... QueerDuck Saturday #19

Exactly mcar Saturday #120

Every time! Must be tradition by now. MorbidButterflyTat Saturday #123

Tradition... habit... compulsion... obsession... fixation... monomania. (Pick one.) QueerDuck Sunday #184

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don't I fuckin know it WhiskeyGrinder Saturday #135

No power doesn't mean no voice. CrispyQ Saturday #71

So instead of holding republicans accountable SocialDemocrat61 Saturday #73

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Yes it does SocialDemocrat61 Saturday #88

Huh Cirsium Saturday #156

I'm calling for republicans SocialDemocrat61 Saturday #157

It isn't Cirsium Saturday #160

Yes I am calling for republicans to be held accountable SocialDemocrat61 Saturday #161

OK Cirsium Saturday #163

What democrats have I attacked? SocialDemocrat61 Saturday #164

Democrats right here Cirsium Saturday #168

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I think the politics on this are pretty simple for Democrats BannonsLiver Saturday #177

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I don't understand why Ken Martin beat Martin O'Malley yellow dahlia Saturday #179

That doesn't mean that we shouldn't choie Saturday #79

So we shouldn't hold republicans accountable? SocialDemocrat61 Saturday #84

Oh for CHRISSAKES! choie Saturday #85

Yet some have spent a lot of time SocialDemocrat61 Saturday #89

Thank you. Joinfortmill Saturday #101

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The Democratic leadership should hold the GOP accountable. PufPuf23 Saturday #124

Exactly what should they be doing? SocialDemocrat61 Saturday #126

The really sad thing for me is ...... walkingman Saturday #133

And how should they be doing that? mcar Saturday #139

I completely disagree JBTaurus83 Saturday #129

Do they? SocialDemocrat61 Saturday #148

I do understand your point JBTaurus83 Saturday #178

Many have already SocialDemocrat61 Saturday #182

Both of my Democratic senators voted to confirm Rubio. How would you suggest giving feedback about that? WhiskeyGrinder Saturday #10

So blame a whole party SocialDemocrat61 Saturday #14

no no I was just asking about my two senators WhiskeyGrinder Saturday #17

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Klobuchar and Smith. Two Democrats who voted to confirm the nomination of Marco Rubio. WhiskeyGrinder Saturday #21

And how does that make them responsible SocialDemocrat61 Saturday #24

lmaoooooo you're right Democrats are helpless babies who should not be held accountable for anything WhiskeyGrinder Saturday #25

Why are you against holding republicans accountable SocialDemocrat61 Saturday #39

How can I hold republicans accountable if I have no power over them? WhiskeyGrinder Saturday #50

So you don't believe in SocialDemocrat61 Saturday #57

No, I asked a different question that you're not answering. WhiskeyGrinder Saturday #61

I'm not required to answer anyone's question SocialDemocrat61 Saturday #62

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Will Republicans call this action illegal? WDLAL Saturday #109

Call them and tell them what you want. I called mine tirebiter Saturday #147

Do we have the same senators? CrispyQ Saturday #74

Spoiler alert: All senators voted to confirm Rubio. WhiskeyGrinder Saturday #76

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I don't think they believed he would sell his soul. He did. Joinfortmill Saturday #104

So asking for a united voice of condemnation is an attack, now? Scrivener7 Saturday #13

Or maybe focus on republicans SocialDemocrat61 Saturday #16

Or maybe asking for a united voice of condemnation Scrivener7 Saturday #22

It's constructing a purity test for democrats SocialDemocrat61 Saturday #27

This message was self-deleted by its author WhiskeyGrinder Saturday #31

uh no... that's a really absurd take Takket Saturday #41

Why not call out republicans SocialDemocrat61 Saturday #51

The question asked was concerning the Democratic response. Gore1FL Saturday #58

So we are not allowed to say SocialDemocrat61 Saturday #60

I literally suggested you make a thread on that topic. I have no say on what is allowed, but clearly, I encourage it. Gore1FL Saturday #64

Maybe I will SocialDemocrat61 Saturday #68

As you should. nt Gore1FL Saturday #69

Nobody is saying that except you. CrispyQ Saturday #82

Sorry SocialDemocrat61 Saturday #92

Ditto. -nt CrispyQ Saturday #132

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It's creating a purity test for democrats SocialDemocrat61 Saturday #107

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No SocialDemocrat61 Saturday #94

I'm criticizing Republicans SocialDemocrat61 Saturday #146

This +1000! mcar Saturday #140

They can speak out against illegal actions Bettie Saturday #37

There is a small but vocal group here that consistently insists that we not "subject" Scrivener7 Saturday #45

There is a a group who consistently let republicans off the hook SocialDemocrat61 Saturday #72

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No SocialDemocrat61 Saturday #97

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They are and have been all day! mcar Saturday #144

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Maybe we should be asking republicans SocialDemocrat61 Saturday #12

So you don't believe we should be allowed to ask for a united voice of condemnation. Scrivener7 Saturday #15

I believe that we should be holding republicans accountable SocialDemocrat61 Saturday #18

Again, asking for a united voice of opposition from the leaders we elected to an obiously Scrivener7 Saturday #26

Let's hold republicans accountable SocialDemocrat61 Saturday #32

Again, stop implying our elected leaders are useless whimps who have no role to play. That's disrespectful. Scrivener7 Saturday #34

Those are your words not mine. SocialDemocrat61 Saturday #42

No. They're very clearly your meaning. And again, no one blamed Democrats for anything. Scrivener7 Saturday #49

No, it's your spin SocialDemocrat61 Saturday #53

No. It's the clear meaning of all your posts in this thread. And PS: we elect our Democratic Scrivener7 Saturday #55

No the meaning of my posts is SocialDemocrat61 Saturday #65

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Again, how do you plan to make republicans hear you without going through the Democratic leaders Scrivener7 Saturday #111

How about start by criticizing them SocialDemocrat61 Saturday #112

That lamppost you are yelling at is not going to do anything. Scrivener7 Saturday #115

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To whom? To you? And what does that do? What is wrong with asking Democrats, whose Scrivener7 Saturday #121

To everyone SocialDemocrat61 Saturday #125

"To everyone"? Really? How are you criticizing the republicans "to everyone" for this? Scrivener7 Saturday #127

You weren't criticizing SocialDemocrat61 Saturday #128

You have no answer but I'll ask again: How are you criticizing republicans "to everyone" individually today in response Scrivener7 Saturday #130

Why are you so hostile to criticizing Republicans? SocialDemocrat61 Saturday #145

Strawman-ing like that is the last refuge of those who have no actual answer. But I'll ask again: Scrivener7 Saturday #158

Why is criticizing republicans SocialDemocrat61 Saturday #159

This is a straw man, as you know very well, and you keep repeating it because you have no answer. Scrivener7 Saturday #165

So you support focusing on SocialDemocrat61 Saturday #167

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?? CrystalwolfLady Saturday #98

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Yes mcar Saturday #136

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