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AloeVera

(4,010 posts)
67. So after 8 years or so of savage-level sanctions and embargoes, the country has less poverty than before Chavez??
Thu Dec 18, 2025, 08:37 PM
Dec 18

Wow, thanks for pointing that out!

But seriously. Of course VZ is in dire straights and its people starving and suffering. Around 7 million have fled. It's horrible. What decent human being would NOT want to do what they can to alleviate their suffering? So of course Trump won't.

Many people believe that "stealing" from the rich to give to the poor is wrong. I'm not one of them. The rich became rich by exploiting the poor in the first place, so wealth redistribution is simply righting the wrong.

The uber-rich are still in Venezuela as are the ultra-poor and barrios that always existed, even when Venezuala was "once prosperous" as you seem to believe. Yet the lives of the poor were far better under Chavez than they were under the IMF's punishing austerity crap and even before. After he died and oil crashed, then the embargo and sanctions, it all went to hell. The wages of forming a Petro-State at the expense of manufacturing, agriculture and other vital sectors. But that happened long before Chavez and Maduro who it must be admitted continued on that wrong path. Not that they had much choice either way, it was already baked in. But their ultimate mistake was in thinking they could go up against the Western Empire and its interests.

Lastly, it's pretty naive to think that Venezuela is going to be allowed to choose a "leader of the people" as you put it. Nothing will rise from the ashes of its sovereignty except a right-wing strong-man who will bow down to Trump and whoever else is pulling the strings of the Empire at any given time. Venezuala already had a "man of the people". It will not be allowed to have another one.

See you around.



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OMG............... Lovie777 Dec 17 #1
Sadly, his minions will believe everything he says. maveric Dec 17 #11
Which is only about 30% of the country, MarineCombatEngineer Dec 17 #18
Thats right! MAGA doesnt win elections. Forget them. Focus on the REST Callie1979 Dec 17 #32
This war of agression to come is to thank pedo the felon's big oil donors Justice matters. Dec 17 #34
Tyrant dictator Cirsium Dec 17 #37
Amen to that. nt MarineCombatEngineer Dec 17 #41
Indeed Cirsium Dec 17 #44
Jeez canetoad Dec 17 #2
IF there was a problem in the past with US oil companies--then go through the Courts like riversedge Dec 17 #5
When Chavez came to power in Ven., MarineCombatEngineer Dec 17 #19
Thanks for post. I will have to do some research of this situation. But--seems like Trump riversedge Dec 17 #22
Actually, I shouldn't have said came to power, it makes it seem like he was installed via coup, MarineCombatEngineer Dec 17 #23
The US and UK did the same in 1953 Iran when democratically elected Mosaddegh govt nationalized the oil industry. ChicagoTeamster Dec 17 #53
I think it is. H2O Man Dec 17 #6
Aaron Rupar just reposted someone on bluesky who said senseandsensibility Dec 17 #3
If this terrorist nation behavior escalates....our allies need to ARM themselves to the teeth .. Bread and Circuses Dec 17 #4
Allies? MarineCombatEngineer Dec 17 #20
Forgive my error! Bread and Circuses Dec 17 #26
Jack Smith testifying getting to him? Quiet, Piggy! SheltieLover Dec 17 #7
Yes - agree with you on this one. TBF Dec 17 #16
Yup & OPEN Senate hearing in early January SheltieLover Dec 17 #35
Just like Mexico did, Saudi Arabia did, as well as others. None of it was "our oil" ever. ... marble falls Dec 17 #8
he just looks for reasons to stir shit BlueWaveNeverEnd Dec 17 #9
I think he really does want the oil, he needs to replace any dependence on Canada for heavy oil Bev54 Dec 17 #28
Trump, always the victim PatSeg Dec 17 #30
Don't forget they overthrew the democratically elected President of Iran Ritabert Dec 17 #10
I wonder who is feeding him this disinformation. QED Dec 17 #12
someone who is giving him a cut of the action NCDem47 Dec 17 #14
No one. He hears bits and pieces in between naps and then his littlemissmartypants Dec 17 #36
Yes...but I think there's more than just casual hearing things. I think it's Wormtongue Miller QED Dec 17 #50
A country unilaterally changed the law with no notice? dickthegrouch Dec 17 #13
What's mine is mine; what's yours is mine also. tblue37 Dec 17 #15
The oil that is under Venezuela belongs to the Venezuelans Botany Dec 17 #17
It's. Not. Our. Fucking. Oil. Paladin Dec 17 #21
"My favorite part is how moronic MAGAs convinced themselves this was over drugs" 😂😂😂 riversedge Dec 17 #24
Yes, taking another country's oil always works out so well for us. Xolodno Dec 17 #25
Wut? RandySF Dec 17 #27
That man is gonna start a war..Definitely cancelling our helpisontheway Dec 17 #29
Well, Chavez DID nationalize foreign properties & industries. Callie1979 Dec 17 #31
Which in no way makes it "ours." Iggo Dec 17 #39
Never said it did. Just stating the facts. Callie1979 Dec 17 #58
Poor, poor Exxon. My heart bleeds. AloeVera Dec 17 #59
VZ was one of the wealthiest countries in SA before Chavez. Now one of the poorest Callie1979 Dec 18 #60
Hmmm... AloeVera Dec 18 #61
THIS discussion isnt about trump. Its about the failed country & WHY. Callie1979 Dec 18 #62
If VZ was doing so great, why was Chavismo accepted and championed by its people? AloeVera Dec 18 #64
Because just like Trump; Chavez made many promises that he'd never keep Callie1979 Dec 18 #66
So after 8 years or so of savage-level sanctions and embargoes, the country has less poverty than before Chavez?? AloeVera Dec 18 #67
The Nobel Peace Prize winner is pretty popular as well as the man who replaced her Callie1979 Dec 19 #68
F47 is echoing Miller, the actual POTUS. QED Dec 17 #33
It was never "ours", Fuckface Von Clownstick. Iggo Dec 17 #38
The US military is being used for corporate interests. Emile Dec 17 #40
It isn't the first time unfortunately. Crowman2009 Dec 17 #45
USA is the world's largest oil producer. Why does he want more? IronLionZion Dec 17 #42
Yes, Venezuela nationalized the oil in 1976. surfered Dec 17 #43
Every bit of credibility and integrity the U.S. had now lost, squandered by a spiteful imbecile. (nt) Duncan Grant Dec 17 #46
Chavez nationalized Venezuela's oil in 2007. maxsolomon Dec 17 #47
It was actually first nationalized in 1976. Wiz Imp Dec 17 #56
He nuts. Historic NY Dec 17 #48
Trump didn't decide this action VeryProgressive Dec 17 #49
I figured it was about Venezuela EnergizedLib Dec 17 #51
Another diversion. Not gonna work. EPSTEIN isn't going away! Joinfortmill Dec 17 #52
Rings similar to alleged WMDs in Iraq under The Lesser. n/t BadgerKid Dec 17 #54
Orinoco Belt Petroleum Reserve,
 Dragon Natural Gas Field,
 Coltan "blue gold" rare earth mineral, Gold mines duckworth969 Dec 17 #55
Trump administration asking US oil industry to return to Venezuela -- but getting no takers Wiz Imp Dec 17 #57
What oil rights? WTF is he talking about? Initech Dec 18 #63
A true neo-Colonialist attitude. Nonwhites don't own anything, not even the ground under their feet. eppur_se_muova Dec 18 #65
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