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18. He was a fairly popular figure for a long time
Fri Apr 11, 2025, 12:18 PM
Apr 2025

He was really the first "common man" President, as he rose from basically nothing and made himself though his force of will. The public loved him for that for years afterward. Even many figures in the Whig Party, which formed basically solely as a response to him kind of admired him (even as they feared the man). I remember reading a bio of Abraham Lincoln, and even as devout a supporter of Henry Clay as he was, he invoked Jackson positively in speeches as a younger politician. I want to say that even presidents as late as Harry Truman counted him among their heroes (okay, so does Trump, but that's only because Steve Bannon made the connection...Trump probably didn't know a thing about him prior)..

Jackson didn't back down during the Nullification Crisis, which later Lincoln partially used as justification for going after the secessionists. Jackson also hated the idea of a permanent political class. Mostly why he was beloved IMHO was his symbolism. The years immediately preceding his presidential terms saw a massive increase in voting rights expanded beyond the wealthy gentry and Old Hickory personified that to the public (even though by that time he was wealthy himself) proving that those other than aristocrats with family connections like John Q. Adams could achieve high office.

He was an early believer that the president should have term limits, and that the Electoral College abolished (partially since he lost in 1824 despite having the most popular votes).

That said, obviously he has horrific things on his ledger, even not counting the Trail of Tears (which given treatment of Natives before and after isn't even be the worst thing we did to them). The Bank Wars crippled our economy. His institution of the spoils system, which became more and more corrupt in the decades after he left. His tendency to make the political personal and vice versa presaged figures (and his extraordinarily thin skin) like Donald Trump.

James Parton, an early biographer of Jackson still has the best description ever for that man of contradictions.

"Andrew Jackson, I am given to understand, was a patriot and a traitor. He was one of the greatest generals, and wholly ignorant of the art of war. A brilliant writer, elegant, eloquent, without being able to compose a correct sentence or spell words of four syllables. The first of statesmen, he never devised, he never framed, a measure. He was the most candid of men, and was capable of the most profound dissimulation. A most law-defying law-obeying citizen. A stickler for discipline, he never hesitated to disobey his superior. A democratic autocrat. An urbane savage. An atrocious saint."

Pretty much.

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According to Wikipedia: Ocelot II Apr 2025 #1
So giant middle finger to Jackson Johonny Apr 2025 #4
Don't expect to be invited to a Jefferson-Jackson Dinner. Sneederbunk Apr 2025 #2
I've never liked him either. Haggard Celine Apr 2025 #3
If Andrew Jackson were alive today, Aristus Apr 2025 #5
Or he'd have a prominent position in the current administration. Ocelot II Apr 2025 #6
Or both. The two are not mutually exclusive...nt Wounded Bear Apr 2025 #33
Wearing a red hat too. bluesbassman Apr 2025 #7
I think so too. Haggard Celine Apr 2025 #13
Hmmm...was thinking of "The Trail of Tears"? Forced march from Georgia to ?Oklahoma. electric_blue68 Apr 2025 #39
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2025 #36
tRump really likes Jackson. Interesting that Jackson, McKinley and Hoover all caused big depressions. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2025 #9
Never knew he liked Hoover Polybius Apr 2025 #15
I didn't say he liked Hoover, did I. I put Hoover in for the model of the coming tRump economic disaster. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2025 #16
Looking back at your post, no you didn't Polybius Apr 2025 #17
No worries. It was just enough ambiguous. My fault. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2025 #20
My assumption about Trump and McKinley misanthrope Apr 2025 #28
Actually if he had never become President Hoover would be fairly fondly remembered dsc Apr 2025 #19
hoover got great publicity for handling the 1927 flood rampartd Apr 2025 #21
Also saved Russia during their famine in the 1920s ITAL Apr 2025 #24
yeah he just rose to the wrong job. dsc Apr 2025 #38
He was a highly complicated character Polybius Apr 2025 #8
His genocide of Indigenous Americas was unquestionably worse than "questionable". . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2025 #10
Most certainly Polybius Apr 2025 #11
Here in Fla., he's best known for fighting the Seminole Indians. The two executions allegorical oracle Apr 2025 #32
There have been MAGAts in every century. nt allegorical oracle Apr 2025 #12
It was originally designed as toilet paper, but there was a mix-up. milestogo Apr 2025 #14
He was a fairly popular figure for a long time ITAL Apr 2025 #18
jackson was a hero rampartd Apr 2025 #22
A very complicated figure ITAL Apr 2025 #25
Which is why there's an avatar of Jackson right here on DU Polybius Apr 2025 #30
Born in SC and rose to prominence in TN -- always more popular with Southerners than Northerners. eppur_se_muova Apr 2025 #26
I went to Andrew Jackson Hight School in Queens NY in the early 1960's Mossfern Apr 2025 #23
The same way a fascist bastard choie Apr 2025 #27
Check this out... AntiFascist Apr 2025 #29
He won the Battle of New Orleans. PCB66 Apr 2025 #31
Better question: How did a loathesome dirtbag like Donald Trump get elected? n/t valleyrogue Apr 2025 #34
Didn't hurt that in the 1950s there was a huge hit song about Jackson-- allegorical oracle Apr 2025 #35
You think that's bad? That is just paper. DFW Apr 2025 #37
Wow, what a mixed bag of good, and horrific actions! electric_blue68 Apr 2025 #40
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