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karynnj

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58. CW was she would pick Evan Bayh, not Obama

Mon Jan 13, 2025, 02:05 PM

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I think she would have won because, by the time of the general election, the economy not Iraq was the main issue. Even if Iraq remained the top issue, the tide was turning on that and I doubt McCain would adopt a less prowar position. It may be that 2008 was the most likely for Democrats to win since 1996.

It's impossible to even guess what that term would be like. But you need to go back to FDR to have a party win 4 times in a row.

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Tim Walz backs David Hogg for DNC vice chair [View all] Polybius Yesterday OP

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Do you have a link for that claim? intheflow Yesterday #3

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My guess is if Walz is endorsing him, intheflow Yesterday #30

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Yes you could be right about that 😁 Meowmee 19 hrs ago #100

Why did you delete all of your posts in this thread? Polybius 16 hrs ago #105

Hillary Clinton's parents were Republicans and she supported Goldwater karynnj Yesterday #34

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Yes you are probably right, I have deleted most of my replies here... carry on😁 Meowmee 19 hrs ago #102

David Hogg's experience wnylib Yesterday #40

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He certainly has done a lot 👏🏻 Meowmee 19 hrs ago #101

He was a high school student at the time. Cuthbert Allgood 22 hrs ago #75

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You should delete your admittedly unfounded smear and stick to the facts about Maru Kitteh 20 hrs ago #90

He was a minor at the time of the shooting, so how is that relevant? Mariana 20 hrs ago #96

I don't know about his former party affiliations MadameButterfly Yesterday #4

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He was at the Dem convention. A Dem governor, who ran for VP wnylib Yesterday #41

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At the time of the massacre, he didn't have any "former party affiliations". Mariana 20 hrs ago #97

This from folks who welcomed Manchin and Fetterman malaise Yesterday #22

Is this "criticism" addressed to me? Meowmee Yesterday #24

No malaise Yesterday #25

I have never heard this, but he's young and has been solidly liberal for years Polybius Yesterday #46

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Some people are forced to grow up fast. Delmette2.0 17 hrs ago #103

We fucking need someone with a track record of leadership and building coalitions. Not nearly fucking enough experience SoFlaBro Yesterday #2

I believe David Hogg has built some coalitions MadameButterfly Yesterday #5

I concur. ❤️ littlemissmartypants Yesterday #7

I agree! We lifelong (D) need to turn leadership over to the next generation.They are going to live in the..... usaf-vet Yesterday #13

yes, please give it to the kids who will inherit climate change frome us MadameButterfly Yesterday #15

LOL! He's no Kennedy, Lincoln or Obama. Oopsie Daisy 22 hrs ago #82

My point is that if we make length of experience the only measure MadameButterfly 20 hrs ago #91

Lincoln, Kennedy, and Obama were all 20 years older than Hogg MichMan 20 hrs ago #94

The kid's been really busy... littlemissmartypants Yesterday #6

This is the Vice Position . JI7 Yesterday #9

No you need some fresh young folks malaise Yesterday #12

We tried that "track-record" garbage, we need people with strong progressive instincts,... Think. Again. Yesterday #17

He is after all not running for chair karynnj Yesterday #35

I heard that same argument against Barack Obama in 2008. wnylib Yesterday #42

But if Hillary had won that nomination, things would likely have gone like this: Polybius Yesterday #50

Are you Carnac the Magnificent? Nostradamus reincarnated? wnylib Yesterday #52

I don't know how the 2012 election would have went, but I feel strongly about the 2008 one Polybius Yesterday #61

Only once in the last 75 years has the same party won three elections in a row MichMan 20 hrs ago #93

CW was she would pick Evan Bayh, not Obama karynnj Yesterday #58

I think she may have lost in 2012 to Romney Polybius Yesterday #63

Yes, either way we would have avoided Trump. JI7 13 hrs ago #106

K&R TheProle 22 hrs ago #83

It's time to shed some of the old school, status quo "leadership" and coalition building lees1975 Yesterday #66

So, what is your proposed minimum age Bettie 8 hrs ago #118

Vice chair, sounds like a great opportunity for him to learn and grow JoseBalow Yesterday #8

David is bright and young. Dave Id Yesterday #10

Six year terms is seen as a way to retire a millionaire. Many stop doing what was best... usaf-vet Yesterday #14

Agreed Rebl2 Yesterday #39

If you say so. Littlered Yesterday #31

What interview was that? When and where? wnylib Yesterday #43

I've been trying to remember. Littlered 10 hrs ago #112

I found him quite impressive and full of great ideas in a recent MSNBC interview. summer_in_TX 17 hrs ago #104

Yeeees malaise Yesterday #11

Love Tim Walz! BlueMTexpat Yesterday #16

Hogg is running for the VICE chair position. Think. Again. Yesterday #18

Thanks for the correction! BlueMTexpat Yesterday #37

Hogg is NOT running against O'Malley. He is running for wnylib Yesterday #44

Thanks! BlueMTexpat 11 hrs ago #107

A resounding Yes! to David Hogg for Vice Chair... Think. Again. Yesterday #19

Excellent choice! ThePartyThatListens Yesterday #21

For Vice Chair... DemMedic Yesterday #26

I think that would be a good choice. We definitely need some fresh blood in the pipeline. He's been an Vinca Yesterday #27

I think David is amazing. He did the March for your Lives and tried to get better gun control. TommieMommy Yesterday #28

No way. Someone with relevant experience needs to be in that role. Have him in a junior role to learn. themaguffin Yesterday #29

He IS running for a junior role, as vice chair, not as chair.. wnylib Yesterday #45

No a sunior role, not a "chair" role. themaguffin Yesterday #53

What I know is that vice chair is below the rank of chair. wnylib Yesterday #59

Yes, but in an organization, that's not what a junior role is. You're speaking in relative terms, I'm referring to its themaguffin Yesterday #60

there will be 3 Vice-Chairs Celerity Yesterday #64

Ok and non are junior positions. themaguffin Yesterday #65

Vice Chair *is* a junior role. He's not running for Chair. Ocelot II Yesterday #54

I know that & "vice" is only "junior" to the chair." He needs a junior role. I assumed wrong that people knew what that themaguffin Yesterday #55

Absolutely not. He lacks the experience and temperament needed for the job. Oopsie Daisy Yesterday #32

Say what? You and I have apparently been listening to and watching wnylib Yesterday #49

Vice-Chair is not the place to start his "mentoring" project or as a place for OJT and skill-honing. Oopsie Daisy Yesterday #57

Three of the following candidates will be chosen as a Vice Chair: Joe Barbuto, Artie Blanco, Waikinya Clanton, Shasti Celerity Yesterday #33

From this group I'd be happy for 3 to be from Nanjeanne Yesterday #62

I would support David Hogg for a position within the Party. kentuck Yesterday #36

Good move pinkstarburst Yesterday #38

That would be a gold mine for repub strategists in battleground and near-battleground states. nt LexVegas Yesterday #47

Oh, you mean they'd say that Dems are coming for their guns? Cuthbert Allgood 22 hrs ago #76

I wouldn't trust a 24 year old Mountainguy Yesterday #48

Thank you. Oopsie Daisy Yesterday #67

Well, we do have a 74-year-old undergoing treatment for esophageal cancer but he's otherwise occupied nt Rob H. 23 hrs ago #70

He could learn a lot Kali999 Yesterday #51

I think it is important that the Democratic Party become more progressive. We have walkingman Yesterday #56

Please. I'm not buying those statistics. Oopsie Daisy Yesterday #68

I don't disagree with you at all, but what will it take to get those people you describe to the polls? walkingman 22 hrs ago #72

Our party is not "plenty progressive." intheflow 10 hrs ago #109

Ah, yes... ageism and "Blame Democrats First". Burn it down, eh? That'll fix everything, won't it? Oopsie Daisy 10 hrs ago #110

That's not what I said at all. intheflow 10 hrs ago #111

Age is just a number, I'm sure you know that. It's experience and intent that matters. Oopsie Daisy 9 hrs ago #114

Why do people assume the Democratic Party is majority ancient conservative straight white men? betsuni Yesterday #69

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Back again???? GP6971 22 hrs ago #74

And? BTW: what's your favorite pizza? marble falls 22 hrs ago #78

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That's obvious...what's this...your second or third pizza today? GP6971 22 hrs ago #80

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Yeah, you do. mercuryblues 21 hrs ago #84

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bye bye pizza is all gone KS Toronado 8 hrs ago #120

It's wild that "Don't trust anyone over 30" has morphed into "Don't trust anyone under 60." nt Rob H. 23 hrs ago #71

No, what's "really wild" is how people are ignoring his offensive and grating temperament and his * Oopsie Daisy 11 hrs ago #108

Seems to me we've damaged ourselves pretty badly internally. intheflow 10 hrs ago #113

Democrats and 'progressives' are often viewed as interconnected or aligned in many contexts * Oopsie Daisy 9 hrs ago #115

Party over country. intheflow 8 hrs ago #116

Really? Interesting. That tells me a lot. Oopsie Daisy 8 hrs ago #119

The last three Presidential elections have seen septua- and octogenarians Rob H. 5 hrs ago #121

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Democrat Party? MarineCombatEngineer 21 hrs ago #85

Is he any relation to Boss? Seasider 20 hrs ago #95

Completely J-9 19 hrs ago #99