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Bernardo de La Paz

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11. "tariffs inflationary and increase interest rates" ... Until they don't
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 09:28 PM
Jan 2025

Yes, initially, I think you are right. Tariffs mean higher prices. But that leads to lower unit volume because wages are slow to catch up to inflation and fixed income folk have less choice. Lower unit volume means less labour is required. Plus retaliatory tariffs reduce exports and that means layoffs.

So after a bit, I think there will be a recession. And the stock market is two years into a bull, which is longer than median, I think. Three year bull markets are not unheard of but rare.

The Fed will lower interest rates to stimulate the economy, which will help the economy but will impress the stock market less than some expect. That's because there will be lower demand, fewer sales, etc. tRump will send out stimulus checks with his name on them, which will help the economy, but not help the deficit. This may be happening while Muck is busy pushing spending cuts. Spending cuts mean either less money going to people or government layoffs or a combination.

Labour markets will be full of turmoil if there are deportations at the same time as layoffs. Not many laid off maga will pick an immigrant's basket and pick strawberries. So there will be simultaneous labour shortages and unemployment.

I went to 85% bonds, 15% money market to try to preserve capital and anticipating the Fed will in a little while cut rates, perhaps after raising them a bit against inflation. I'm hoping there might be buying opportunities for stocks in 2026 or not long after, but I have no crystal ball, only seat of the pants reckoning.

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I'm in the midst of the same analysis PJMcK Jan 2025 #1
Thank you. I'm interested in your thoughts. no_hypocrisy Jan 2025 #2
I'm worried too. dem4decades Jan 2025 #3
i just moved around a bunch Arger68 Jan 2025 #4
In general, Trump's tariffs would be inflationary and increase interest rates. surfered Jan 2025 #5
I am looking at moving some holdings.... lastlib Jan 2025 #8
"tariffs inflationary and increase interest rates" ... Until they don't Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2025 #11
Agree. When we see deflationary pressure, I will begin going to longer maturities surfered Jan 2025 #15
Unless trump can convince his wealthy backers that the USA will be much better off in 4 years with tariffs bringing Silent Type Jan 2025 #6
Yep, I've been telling people to miss this upside ... it aint going to be big enough to chase and better to sit in bonds uponit7771 Jan 2025 #7
I have 3 stocks I'm in and the rest in short term treasuries. 58Sunliner Jan 2025 #9
Yesterday WmChris Jan 2025 #10
Bookmarking because I can barely make sense out of any of this stuff and must move from almost all money market to mahina Jan 2025 #12
Get a reliable financial advisor. no_hypocrisy Jan 2025 #13
Thank you. That has proved very difficult. mahina Jan 2025 #14
You're pretty safe investing in an S&P index fund flamingdem Jan 2025 #17
I think this is good advise Unwind Your Mind Jan 2025 #18
I'm curious to see whether a broader move to private equity will occur, and the impact on public markets lostnfound Jan 2025 #22
Private equity for the public is like leaving a steak on a counter for a month Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2025 #23
True. And then they get the repubs to bail them out flamingdem Jan 2025 #27
My fear is we won't be allowed to avoid it. Most 401k holders... lostnfound Jan 2025 #34
Many private equity ventures don't return money to the investor flamingdem Jan 2025 #25
I'm back to 60% equities / 40% bonds Shermann Jan 2025 #16
I've been watching my investments too. CaptainTruth Jan 2025 #19
Supposed to be a high volatility year flamingdem Jan 2025 #28
We are in a similar situation. But... ProudMNDemocrat Jan 2025 #20
Good job! I know it can sometimes be scary to have these Mike 03 Jan 2025 #21
On Nov 15 2024 Karma13612 Jan 2025 #24
If you can't risk that seems okay BUT flamingdem Jan 2025 #26
Yes, Karma13612 Jan 2025 #33
We did the same if..fish..had..wings Jan 2025 #29
My best friend died in Oct Marthe48 Jan 2025 #30
What will happen to international investments? AnnaLee Jan 2025 #31
I am tempted to just say... mercuryblues Jan 2025 #32
How about short-term (6-7 mo.) CD's? I'm old and want to keep things liquid in case either of us needs expensive care. albacore Jan 2025 #35
financial advisors heads in sand MBF Jan 2025 #36
Tend To Agree ProfessorGAC Jan 2025 #37
I'm in Greg_In_SF Jan 2025 #38
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