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paleotn

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20. Why would they let anyone build anything in Asheville NC? Or Chimney Rock? Or Bat Cave? Or Lake Lure?

Sat Jan 11, 2025, 04:46 PM

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It's susceptible to hurricane induced flooding, both minor and biblical. I know. Use to live in the area. Soon as I heard something definitive on Helene's path, I figured Biltmore Village was gonna flood. It always does. This one was just the latest in a long list of hurricane induced floods dating back to the beginning of human habitation in that area. Funny, I didn't hear your argument when it came to that natural disaster.

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If you run across anyone saying brush clearance could have prevented the Palisades Fire, show them this [View all] highplainsdem Jan 11 OP

Yes. Several years of wet growth followed by dry... FailureToCommunicate Jan 11 #1

And for that the indigenous practice, from Igel Jan 12 #41

Homeowners must do a better job clearing their spaces. I don't think controlled burns are a possibility LauraInLA Jan 12 #47

Sorry you guys out there are having to go thru all this. Even sorrier that you have to listen to all the spurts. state of stupid Jan 12 #62

Thank you for all this amazing and helpful information! LauraInLA Jan 12 #64

You are most welcome. Hang in there. state of stupid Jan 12 #65

I know a little about wildland fire fighting (with a valid Incident Qualification Card - "Red Card") .. and I know this: Bo Zarts Jan 11 #2

The more pertinent question is what actually "started" this fire? Tarzanrock Jan 11 #3

Or someone was deliberate. COL Mustard Jan 11 #9

Two arrests so far malaise Jan 11 #15

I didn't realized they'd arrested anyone for arson! LauraInLA Jan 12 #49

No one has been arrested for arson obamanut2012 Jan 13 #70

Me, too -- I'm in Burbank. That's why I was surprised. I hope you're staying safe ;). LauraInLA Jan 13 #75

Are you aware of the massive fees that So Cal Edison paid after one of our regional fires? Hekate Jan 12 #42

I know a RWNJ LPBBEAR Jan 11 #4

RWNJs can rake the forests all they want KS Toronado Jan 11 #28

They are full of shit Cosmocat Jan 11 #35

When that manage the forests better comes from GOP Pols in Ohio, where they get rain & have rivers, Attilatheblond Jan 11 #36

Just hand them a rake... rasputin1952 Jan 12 #55

They wouldn't know what to do with it. LPBBEAR Jan 13 #72

Appreciate this article. Mike 03 Jan 11 #5

When the Santa Annas are blowing 80 to 99 MPH dry winds, and live burning ash is traveling miles Attilatheblond Jan 11 #37

This place is a great resource and an awesome place to visit! They are on the 210 west of Pasadena. LauraInLA Jan 12 #52

That article does not exactly debunk the underbrush theory hueymahl Jan 11 #6

The brush evolved with wildfire. It evolved to burn. That's not spinning reality. That is reality. paleotn Jan 11 #11

You are making my point for me hueymahl Jan 11 #12

No, I'm not. Now you're twisting reality. paleotn Jan 11 #18

That's not what the experts are saying hueymahl Jan 11 #19

Yes, that is what experts are saying. paleotn Jan 11 #22

Well, we can do this all day, lol hueymahl Jan 11 #23

And you'd still be wrong. paleotn Jan 11 #24

I agree with you to an extent, but the fact is that years and years ago, construction was allowed in LauraInLA Jan 12 #53

those fires are in brushlands, not tall tree forests. there no understory carpet of debris to clear compared to msongs Jan 11 #14

Correct hueymahl Jan 11 #17

I'm not sure you understand how difficult a lot of this terrain is -- it's part of why people built there, LauraInLA Jan 12 #54

I'm From The East RobinA Jan 13 #73

That really is the throughline, right? "Everybody wants his ocean view." ;) LauraInLA Jan 13 #74

Let's talk cutting brush. I volunteer, cutting brush, building boardwalk and so forth at a local swamp. 300+ acres. 3Hotdogs Jan 11 #7

Several mountain ranges to the east of the LA basin. Many canyons and hillsides. Look at Altadena here, chia Jan 11 #13

Yeah Mountainguy Jan 11 #26

Yes, that is the problem... the winds were probably a freight train down Eaton Canyon, throwing embers chia Jan 11 #39

You are making so much sense. Sadly, I read an interview with one Altadena resident who lost her home -- LauraInLA Jan 12 #56

It takes a lot of money to replace a roof, money a lot of family just don't have. I see you're in LA, chia Jan 12 #58

Thank you! I'm glad you're safe! My heart breaks for everyone who lost their home and community, LauraInLA Jan 12 #59

The 1970 fires were brutal, and arson, I believe, up & down the coast. Santa Annas were blowing hard, it was very dry Attilatheblond Jan 12 #63

Those memories stay with you, mine are still vivid from 1970 and 2003. Your last line is right on the money. chia Jan 13 #69

And cut brush quickly dries out Zambero Jan 13 #77

stupid azureblue Jan 11 #8

The stuff is built to burn. It evolved with regular wildfires. Part of the life cycle of many indigenous plant species. paleotn Jan 11 #10

I thought I remember from my grade school days Littlered Jan 11 #16

Why would they let anyone build anything in Asheville NC? Or Chimney Rock? Or Bat Cave? Or Lake Lure? paleotn Jan 11 #20

exactly. dying hurricanes going along the appalachians is not that unusual and buildings in the bottom of canyons msongs Jan 11 #25

I've often said the same thing Littlered Jan 12 #45

100% hueymahl Jan 11 #21

Chaparral is designed to burn. Botany Jan 11 #27

Evolved ... not designed. VMA131Marine Jan 11 #31

But doesn't evolution over generations. Botany Jan 11 #38

Evolution is not in any way directed VMA131Marine Jan 11 #40

Picking the fly poop out of the pepper over the use of the word design aren't you? Botany Jan 12 #46

Design implies intelligence and a purpose VMA131Marine Jan 12 #67

You just described evolution. n/t rasputin1952 Jan 12 #57

Live about 50 miles south in Orange County FHRRK Jan 11 #29

+++ KPN Jan 12 #51

Social media is loaded with asshole comments Klarkashton Jan 11 #30

Chipping it works to greatly reduce combustibility KPN Jan 12 #50

and the other fallacy stopdiggin Jan 11 #32

Every year. Prescribed burns and brush clearing. Melon Jan 12 #44

the point being, this is NOT a problem you are going to solve stopdiggin Jan 12 #66

It's a big state Retrograde Jan 12 #68

Around and through major cities Melon Jan 13 #78

Also show them this meme & link. ancianita Jan 11 #33

It depends on who is responsible for doing the raking which was a point made the last time state of stupid Jan 11 #34

Nawww...so the answer is that we are helpless and this is gods plan? Nooooo Melon Jan 12 #43

Yep, nothing more threatening or dangerous than wind KPN Jan 12 #48

Great and informative podcast by a "old experienced firefighter" SupportOurTruths Jan 12 #60

Many Easterners don't comprehend that California has a climate Retrograde Jan 12 #61

I'm originally from the SE, not live in CA obamanut2012 Jan 13 #71

MAGA thinks they are experts in everything that enrages them. Basso8vb Jan 13 #76