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Bernardo de La Paz

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15. In ordinary parlance, yes, a "felon". But as they say "The law grinds slowly but it grinds very finely"

Fri Jan 10, 2025, 04:48 PM

Jan 10

So I think "felon" and "convict" are words not usually used in actual statutes and legal codes, though it is probable that somewhere in some Act it might be.

A "felon" as commonly used, yes, but technically in the eyes of the law not officially "convicted" (per DoJ link in my previous post) until this morning when sentence was pronounced.

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Judge Merchan did not sentence TSF, he merely concluded the proceedings. [View all] bluesbassman Jan 10 OP

45 does not care if he is a convicted felon, only that he does not serve jail time.. This will only embolden him.nt mitch96 Jan 10 #1

He cares very much, otherwise he wouldn't have tried to postpone the sentencing Ocelot II Jan 10 #3

He did all that for sport. He is an asshole. Klarkashton Jan 10 #5

"If he didn't care he wouldn't be ranting about it".I think he rants about anything that attacks him. It's in his nature mitch96 Jan 10 #6

It was procedurally significant, though, because even though no punishment was imposed, Ocelot II Jan 10 #2

But why does he care? bluesbassman Jan 10 #4

Presidential tolling dpibel Jan 10 #9

You're an expert on NY law? I'm not, but your statement contradicts all the reports I've read. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jan 10 #7

How so? bluesbassman Jan 10 #8

"the jury had previously convicted the POS so he was already a felon." I don't think you know NY law. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jan 10 #10

You're correct, I'm not a NY attorney. However the NY Bar probably knows the law fairly well. bluesbassman Jan 10 #11

DoJ disagrees. Your link does not specifically address the point because it is a tutorial, not a legal analysis Bernardo de La Paz Jan 10 #14

That's the DOJ - Federal law. bluesbassman Jan 10 #22

It says "United States practice", not Federal. It would say the latter it was the latter, bc DoJ is, you know, Federal.n Bernardo de La Paz Jan 10 #25

"United states" in the legal context often means specifically the federal government unblock Jan 10 #28

New York Bernardo de La Paz Jan 10 #29

This is becoming a bit comical. bluesbassman Jan 10 #32

I got it from NY State Law pages. I was trying to explain the many articles that make the distinction to you Bernardo de La Paz Jan 10 #34

"NY Bar's word": whoosh. It is their SIMPLIFICATION. Read your own link's preface! Bernardo de La Paz Jan 10 #35

So after he was found guilty MorbidButterflyTat Jan 10 #12

In ordinary parlance, yes, a "felon". But as they say "The law grinds slowly but it grinds very finely" Bernardo de La Paz Jan 10 #15

I agree. Lack of a sentence does not vacate the felony convictions. CoopersDad Jan 10 #13

Correction: Lack of a sentence does not vacate a jury verdict . . . markpkessinger Jan 10 #20

Joke of a crimimal justice system in this country and I for one will never participate again. Fuck em. Comfortably_Numb Jan 10 #16

No. Judge Merchan didn't "merely conclude a proceeding." He sentenced the jury-convicted defendant. ancianita Jan 10 #17

Get back to me when ANY of those things happen to TSF. bluesbassman Jan 10 #24

And not one of them will enforce it against His orange majesty. orangecrush Jan 10 #33

Excuse me, but that very impressive list of lost rights, is 100% null an d void the as soon as he is officially "sworn msfiddlestix Jan 10 #26

Yes Merchan was just officially saying goodbye to Trump and ending the proceedings. Irish_Dem Jan 10 #18

There was a sentencing. It was one with no penalty, but it was a sentencing, Ocelot II Jan 10 #19

I am speaking in psychological terms, not legalese. Irish_Dem Jan 10 #31

There was a sentencing, just one with no penalty. TomSlick Jan 10 #21

I am talking psychology and reality. Irish_Dem Jan 10 #30

Ah, but now we're in my world. TomSlick Jan 10 #36

Merchan: [protections] did not reduce the seriousness of the crimes or erase the jury's verdict. CoopersDad Jan 10 #23

There is karma............. Lovie777 Jan 10 #27