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Martin Eden

(15,269 posts)
43. It's way beyond "politics"
Fri Jan 10, 2025, 06:35 AM
Jan 2025

It's about the survival of our democracy and the ecosystems of this planet, which support life itself.

It's about basic human decency, rights, justice, and the rule of law.

It's about truth versus lies, and generations of progress versus the hoarding of wealth and power by oligarchs at the top.

Having said all that ...

We can never reclaim America's highest ideals and save our country while its people are bitterly divided.

What oligarchs and truly evil men like Trump and Musk need, and constantly foster, is divisive hatred and contempt. They want American citizens at each others throats instead of working together for our own best interests.

How do they do it? With a growing network of "news" outlets and social media spreading a constant stream of disinformation triggering emotional responses, not rational thought.

Trump won because millions of ordinary Americans have been fed constant lies, big and small. This is not to say that truly vile racists and misogynists don't inhabit the USA, but chances are the Trump voter next door is a decent fellow who loves his wife, kids, and dog. He and you and I are all in the same boat economically, breathing the same air and depending on the life sustaining natural bounty of Earth.

In all things, try to be kind. Gentle persuasion is better than accusation.

This is not to say surrender to fascism. I'm saying that fascism thrives when The People are bitterly divided.

Abraham Lincoln in his first inauguration appealed to the better angels of our nature. After four years of a cataclysmic civil war, he proclaimed malice towards none and charity for all.

He also said A house divided against itself cannot stand.

Truer words were never spoken.

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In general I would agree EdmondDantes_ Jan 2025 #1
They are there for a function newdeal2 Jan 2025 #2
This. B.See Jan 2025 #12
Never. I don't associate with magats, or with people who do. brush Jan 2025 #83
That's it exactly.... Think. Again. Jan 2025 #53
If I see Obama watch a game at Mar A Lago ... Bluetus Jan 2025 #76
Not the same thing at all. Phoenix61 Jan 2025 #3
Really. Not the same thing At All. Cha Jan 2025 #6
and this. B.See Jan 2025 #13
+1. I'm in the "Be like Obama" camp, at least for a little while. I'm hoping trump will have a Silent Type Jan 2025 #4
I'm in the "Be like Obama" camp for the purpose of ensuring... dchill Jan 2025 #31
Barack took one for the team, as was called for under the circumstances. hatrack Jan 2025 #5
... and this. B.See Jan 2025 #14
They were forced together by protocol LuvLoogie Jan 2025 #7
.. and this too. B.See Jan 2025 #15
Neighbors are 24/7 - sorry, stupid thread. NoMoreRepugs Jan 2025 #8
They are time? Renew Deal Jan 2025 #10
Nope. Aristus Jan 2025 #9
Exactly. B.See Jan 2025 #16
I would sooner eat warm cow shit that be in the same room with that insurrectionist/rapist. Ferrets are Cool Jan 2025 #11
Reconsider your disrespect for Obama, he had no choice who he sat next to MagickMuffin Jan 2025 #67
I'm an old fart who has become stone hearted when it comes to magats. Ferrets are Cool Jan 2025 #85
That I can agree with, I would not have engaged with * MagickMuffin Jan 2025 #87
It's affirmative , yes, I agree. Drum Jan 2025 #17
Nope. Nope. Nope. I doubt President Obama would call trump out of the blue to watch a game or hang out. tulipsandroses Jan 2025 #18
If you can, fine. But Trump voters handed a loaded gun to someone who has been threatening Ms. Toad Jan 2025 #19
So well said. MorbidButterflyTat Jan 2025 #81
Thank you. Ms. Toad Jan 2025 #86
No Drama OBAMA was cordial, Drumpf was inserting himself for attention. UTUSN Jan 2025 #20
Obama is a politician Keepthesoulalive Jan 2025 #21
Nah. A funeral is a social obligation, and not about the attendee, so cordial behavior RockRaven Jan 2025 #22
Water & oil don't mix. nt William769 Jan 2025 #23
False NameAlreadyTaken Jan 2025 #24
I prefer to socialize with people I like and respect Quiet Em Jan 2025 #25
True, but it's not REQUIRED of everyone. elleng Jan 2025 #26
Seems to me Pres.O drew the short straw and had take one for the team... brush Jan 2025 #27
I think they have assigned seating based on seniority: 1 Clinton, 2 Bush, 3 Obama, 4 Trump. LeftInTX Jan 2025 #30
Yes and protocol would have put Michelle next to Traitor for the event Arazi Jan 2025 #32
Michelle had another event. I don't think Trump was why she skipped. LeftInTX Jan 2025 #34
??? Klarkashton Jan 2025 #28
Not really the same thing though is it? Meowmee Jan 2025 #29
You think the Obamas would go to MAL to watch a game w Traitor? Arazi Jan 2025 #33
If Obama had a choice of where to sit no way would he have picked that seat. Hope22 Jan 2025 #35
Not one chance in hell. KentuckyWoman Jan 2025 #36
OMG, the orange one was smiling the first genuine smile I've ever seen on him. hedda_foil Jan 2025 #37
The ill mannered, vulgar Turd idiotically asked Obama the question inside the National Cathedral ... Tarzanrock Jan 2025 #39
I don't think so. Lunabell Jan 2025 #38
I can't and I won't. La Coliniere Jan 2025 #40
Not only no, but fuck no. Paladin Jan 2025 #41
Bullshit !!! SamKnause Jan 2025 #42
It's way beyond "politics" Martin Eden Jan 2025 #43
But you don't really know what they were saying ecstatic Jan 2025 #44
For me, it's not about politics. It's about morals. City Lights Jan 2025 #45
Fuck no. Happy Hoosier Jan 2025 #46
lol what on earth WhiskeyGrinder Jan 2025 #47
At first I thought it was the Onion. Emile Jan 2025 #48
Wealthy, powerful people can afford to be cordial to people who wish them harm. They will be just fine. Autumn Jan 2025 #49
Suggesting who people should associate with... LuckyCharms Jan 2025 #50
I can't abide... Hugin Jan 2025 #51
So, it's bad to scold people for their political views - views that are themselves dismissive and disrespectful of Solly Mack Jan 2025 #52
Letting anyone think you're Okay with their hate is wrong. Think. Again. Jan 2025 #54
But I dont want to Johonny Jan 2025 #55
Why not just pretend to agree with them, if the goal is to make them feel better? ExciteBike66 Jan 2025 #56
Is that the goal? Renew Deal Jan 2025 #59
Be a jerk how, by having standards? ExciteBike66 Jan 2025 #61
I mean, s**t, do i have to hang out with neighbors who are registered sex offenders now? ExciteBike66 Jan 2025 #62
You forgot to ask about Hitler Renew Deal Jan 2025 #64
No, a convicted sex offender who has served his sentence is about right. ExciteBike66 Jan 2025 #73
It is possible to decline an invitation Bettie Jan 2025 #68
I agree Renew Deal Jan 2025 #72
False equivalency get the red out Jan 2025 #57
Ummm... no ZDU Jan 2025 #58
Im a individual. Just because they can The Third Doctor Jan 2025 #60
A non sequitur is all that I can think of as a response. UniqueUserName Jan 2025 #63
I just followed your advice Renew Deal Jan 2025 #65
If I am at a function where there are MAGAts Bettie Jan 2025 #66
I disagree with assertions of this article entirely standingtall Jan 2025 #69
Effing hell No! samplegirl Jan 2025 #70
"If Obama and Trump can be cordial, you can watch a football game with your neighbor" LudwigPastorius Jan 2025 #71
I don't associate with Nazis JoseBalow Jan 2025 #74
My neighbors are trumpets, and I don't watch football Conjuay Jan 2025 #75
This message was self-deleted by its author Wifes husband Jan 2025 #77
Find ways to get along? Cirsium Jan 2025 #78
Wasn't this taken at President Carter's funeral? MorbidButterflyTat Jan 2025 #79
Obama had no choice who he was seated next to wryter2000 Jan 2025 #80
As someone who is a sexual assault survivor.... usedtobedemgurl Jan 2025 #82
You ask the impossible Cirsium Jan 2025 #84
I actually was talking and rebuking the OP. usedtobedemgurl Jan 2025 #91
I should just quit Cirsium Jan 2025 #96
It is fine. usedtobedemgurl Jan 2025 #98
The OP has been posting since you asked your question Arazi Jan 2025 #95
Kicking again since the OP is posting this morning Arazi Jan 2025 #106
I have a feeling... appmanga Jan 2025 #88
You Derisively Mention "Righteous Lectures".... ProfessorGAC Jan 2025 #89
Nothing like smell of hypocrisy. Any time of the day. Autumn Jan 2025 #90
If Hitler, Pol Pot, Stalin, and Mao were alive I wouldn't watch a football game with them. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2025 #92
Well, Obama was always a little WEAK that way.... Jack Valentino Jan 2025 #93
Show me a picture of Franklin Roosevelt making nice with HITLER, then we'll talk-- Jack Valentino Jan 2025 #94
You ask the impossible Cirsium Jan 2025 #97
President Obama is a class act. Patton French Jan 2025 #99
There is a difference between being cordial at a funeral and pretending for 4 hours that they didn't vote for Hitler maxrandb Jan 2025 #100
That's ridiculous. Scrivener7 Jan 2025 #101
No, I can't. GoCubsGo Jan 2025 #102
Unfortunately, you (and I) are the minority here. PennRalphie Jan 2025 #103
I guarantee Southern_gent Jan 2025 #107
Nobody is bragging. Today's Republicans are just genuinely unlikeable. Quiet Em Jan 2025 #110
Silly question Southern_gent Jan 2025 #112
LOL Not a chance in hell. My dumbfuck neighbors can all die in horror, for the horror they put on us. mucholderthandirt Jan 2025 #104
No. Sky Jewels Jan 2025 #105
I'll meet you halfway. Mike 03 Jan 2025 #108
Barack Obama is one of the nicest people on the planet jmowreader Jan 2025 #109
This message was self-deleted by its author DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2025 #111
Kim Jong Un loves the NBA DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2025 #113
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