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lonely bird

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73. I get the point...
Tue Dec 24, 2024, 07:38 PM
Yesterday

That being said the issues, for me, revolve around what I and, I am sure, others call theomythology. The civic mythologies of the country raised to the status of theological dogma. Any discussion which is in opposition to the dogma is deemed “anti-American”. Added into this are the concepts of complicated vs complex. Taking apart a car engine or transmission is complicated. My brother-in-law split his tractor in order to repair its transmission. He had never done anything like that before but he watched videos and meticulously catalogued where each part went. It was complicated. It was not complex.

Complexity, for me, involves uncertainty, the condition that Rumsfeld was laughed at when he said it. I laughed at him too. But he stated something that is true. Perhaps it is the step before karma hits when one makes a decision on a course of action. Karma or the law of unintended consequences. The issues we face are complex. They always have been. We have managed to muddle our way through them with some degree of success and not a few failures.

But at the core of the problem solving processes used are some complexities which hinder our problem solving. Of course every generation to a degree thinks that they are unique. It is likely through most of human history this was not the case. The generations were not much different than those who went before. The invention of the printing press followed by the explosion of science/mathematics and then the Industrial Revolution and so on moved technology and accessibility of information forward at speeds undreamed of. Postman, Huxley and Orwell feared what would happen if government was able to control the man-created “God in the Machine”. Their warnings were prescient but misplaced. Government has always been a tool for imposing organization on society. Many times government was and is used for oppression. Other times it is not. Our current situation is not the fault of government because the concept of government itself, being a tool, has no inherent morality or immorality. The only morality imposed upon government is that of men. The morality government is now being injected with is the morality of wealth/power. Heinlein wrote in Citizen of the Galaxy that people will do strange things for money but they will do stranger things yet for power over money.

We know that institutional memory which doesn’t exist as human memory but is rather a belief in the creation of institutions that both establish freedom but also demand responsibility is critical to the success of a society. Imo, the USSR failed because by the time of Brezhnev et al the belief could no longer be supported. It eventually collapsed of its own weight. The same is likely true of the PRC as time progresses.

Here, we are seeing our own slow-moving collapse. All of the agitprop used is designed to provide simplistic solutions to complicated and also complex problems. This is because of one truly complex problem: emotional and psychological growth lags behind technological growth. The more information inundates humans at greater speed the more many will be drawn to the simplistic solutions of the charlatan.

This all allows for wealth/power to increase its hold while itself is more and more unleashed.

We allow what we worship to become that which rules us.

Sorry for rambling.

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AMEN recovering_democrat Yesterday #1
That's all true. bucolic_frolic Yesterday #2
If people have not read it, I can strongly suggest reading "A Fever In The Heartland" by Timothy Egan GeoWilliam750 Yesterday #66
I recommend Howard Zinn's "A People's History of the U.S." Martin68 8 hrs ago #88
Nail meet hammer Pachamama Yesterday #3
Happy....er...what? Clouds Passing Yesterday #4
the smothers brothers, phil donahue were superstars rampartd Yesterday #5
We are trained to work The Madcap Yesterday #6
Oh Yeah. Some of my Nordic friends call Americans "Ants" ....it ain't a compliment. chouchou Yesterday #35
Information overload The Wizard Yesterday #7
This is what I want to say... madaboutharry Yesterday #8
Is that them new bees or hornets that invaded us from Asia? 3Hotdogs Yesterday #23
Yum! Shipwack Yesterday #51
Joyce Vance shared a recipe for Rugelach on her Substack. soldierant 20 hrs ago #81
Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia Wicked Blue Yesterday #9
And eliminate DOE in Project 2025 Evolve Dammit Yesterday #25
People need to watch jeopardy MacKasey Yesterday #10
True, but Jeopardy has changed. LisaM Yesterday #15
I have a friend born in the 1950s IbogaProject Yesterday #57
It depends on the categories. LisaM Yesterday #64
Alot more pop culture QA as well. nt Ilsa 22 hrs ago #77
"I went home for lunch" BumRushDaShow Yesterday #34
I lived 2 blocks from school MacKasey Yesterday #46
I lived about 4 blocks from my original elementary school BumRushDaShow Yesterday #53
I had the exact experience as a kid, La Coliniere Yesterday #65
Frankly, I think that is exactly the wrong approach. malthaussen Yesterday #67
I can appreciate your disagreement MacKasey Yesterday #70
An interesting observation, and of course it leads to Santayana's famous remark, Ocelot II Yesterday #11
I frequently get posts from a group called "Old Time Baseball" in my fb feed. malthaussen Yesterday #68
This is why history isn't linear, but moves in cycles Blaukraut Yesterday #72
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Yesterday #12
Historians are fully aware of what you both say. Which is why they become historians in the first place, and why ancianita Yesterday #21
bookmarking to read later. Thank you. I rec'd it already and want to chew on a bit - and provide a respose. NewHendoLib Yesterday #13
Yep. Another way to put it is "here and now" -- that's all Americans care about, the current KPN Yesterday #14
We also often forget when our stars are no longer with us. keep_left Yesterday #16
Outstanding. Mike 03 Yesterday #17
I always refer to a sense of history. murielm99 Yesterday #18
No Long-Term Memory is how bastards get the US Taxpayer on the Hook Kid Berwyn Yesterday #19
Sigh...sadly, all true. pandr32 Yesterday #20
To me, the key line on your post: Escurumbele Yesterday #22
There's never a magical time of remembering Sympthsical Yesterday #24
Ho ho ho... PCIntern Yesterday #28
Do you know all kinds of 1880s and 90s singers as well? Popular theater actors of the Gilded Age? Sympthsical Yesterday #39
Memory intelpug 17 hrs ago #83
I remember the Grass Roots. My band opened for them Mblaze Yesterday #26
That's actually pretty cool... PCIntern Yesterday #29
The band we opened for that sucked the most Mblaze Yesterday #40
Sanewashing is brainwashing. dchill Yesterday #27
Happy & healthy New Year to you and yours, PCI Hekate Yesterday #30
And to you!!! PCIntern Yesterday #41
Let's Live ForToday JMCKUSICK Yesterday #31
Gore Vidal dubbed the US thucythucy Yesterday #32
Excellent points, perfectly articulated. PCIntern Yesterday #42
You jumped right from radios to smart phones. What about TV? nt Nittersing Yesterday #48
TV obviously also had an impact, thucythucy Yesterday #54
A lot of kids were "raised" by television Nittersing Yesterday #56
Good points. thucythucy Yesterday #58
Many Americans are lazy young_at_heart Yesterday #33
I feel that... 2naSalit Yesterday #59
I would also rather do those things BUT MuseRider 8 hrs ago #90
What you wrote echoes my feelings riverbendviewgal Yesterday #36
athiest that does xmas traditions here Kali Yesterday #37
The result of letting many home school their children biophile Yesterday #38
Thinking more philosophically, there is the 14th Dalai Lama outlook Beringia Yesterday #43
I went to high school with Hugh Downs' daughter PCIntern Yesterday #44
"We are the weak link: deliberately undereducated and programmed by the corporate media." OldBaldy1701E Yesterday #45
Memory is a small part - Nigrum Cattus Yesterday #47
Even in the 70s history Figarosmom Yesterday #49
History teachers intelpug 17 hrs ago #84
And he was right Figarosmom 17 hrs ago #85
Excellent. I would also add that somewhere along the line, "History is boring" became a LoisB Yesterday #50
History was made boring by becoming an endless recitation of facts. malthaussen Yesterday #69
A salient point about the band The Grass Roots EYESORE 9001 Yesterday #52
PCIntern............ Upthevibe Yesterday #55
In the era of "personality politics" (bad) people only want their prejudices reinforced. And they are easily tricked. usonian Yesterday #60
You echo my thoughts... rasputin1952 Yesterday #61
Nostalgia and its opposites Nasruddin Yesterday #62
And assassination is becoming too common dlbell Yesterday #63
Gotta agree with everything here... Trueblue Texan Yesterday #71
I get the point... lonely bird Yesterday #73
Am an American. I remember Tweedy Yesterday #74
You speak the truth! Ziggysmom Yesterday #75
I remember the W. Bush administration and Beck23 22 hrs ago #76
I remember in the early 80s many people didnt know who their Senators were Callie1979 21 hrs ago #78
It is shocking to me anyway Meowmee 21 hrs ago #79
I agree 200% with you! slightlv 20 hrs ago #80
It's not that Americans have no memory. The problem is mass media. Initech 19 hrs ago #82
Thank you for this. MuseRider 9 hrs ago #86
You better start swimmin' or you'll sink like a stone. Yes, our memories, like our attention spans, have shrunk down Martin68 8 hrs ago #87
There is no community memory Keepthesoulalive 8 hrs ago #89
Rethink the idea of american amnesia Southern_gent 8 hrs ago #91
Disagree with almost every point PCIntern 8 hrs ago #93
Let's Have a Real Conversation: Disagree? Tell Me Why! Southern_gent 7 hrs ago #94
Because I'm busy. PCIntern 7 hrs ago #95
some of the best tv shows in my memory were one season or 2 seasons ones . barely got off the ground and yanked AllaN01Bear 8 hrs ago #92
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