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39. Everything DOJ did was not

Tue Dec 24, 2024, 06:24 PM

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in front of a Grand Jury. Everything they had for information or could have assisted the Committee with was not necessarily presented to the Grand Jury. They would only have presented what they thought might support an indictment. There is no such thing as a high level investigation in which every shred of information learned is used either in the Grand Jury process or at trial. The DOJ was not precluded therefore from yielding that to the Committee but it is even worse than that because they openly refused to help the Committee at any point on anything.

There may well have been names of people or pieces of information the Committee would have liked to have had that were nothing to do with anything given to the Grand Jury. The DOJ presented material to the Grand Jury that DOJ discovered. The Grand Jury did not run an investigation, hire investigators etc. Nobody went before the Grand Jury to testify without first having been interviewed and investigated by DOJ/FBI.

It is fallacy to allow DOJ to hide behind the excuse of the Grand Jury when they know very well they had the ability to share things not presented. This is the very same DOJ that stonewalled the 1/6 Committee for so long to the point it became a huge issue on the Committee.

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