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Maybe Ann Selzer's poll wasn't wrong. [View all] yellow dahlia Dec 18 OP

All polls are subjective Nigrum Cattus Dec 18 #1

When you realize keepthemhonestO Dec 18 #15

I was thinking that same thing. luvallpeeps Dec 18 #2

A lot of minds thinking alike on this forum...of course. yellow dahlia Dec 18 #3

There are rules for recounts. Iowa was nowhere NEAR the requirements. Callie1979 Dec 18 #11

Those rules are for state paid recounts. But recounts can be requested and paid for by the candidate Figarosmom Dec 18 #17

You mean the candidate that's some $20 million in debt? Seeking Serenity Dec 18 #37

Yeah it is Figarosmom Dec 18 #40

Harris apparently had no interest in scamming her supporters out of millions of dollars tritsofme Dec 19 #46

Yes, there are rules for recounts Farmer-Rick Dec 18 #19

You didn't understand my reference to recounts. yellow dahlia Dec 18 #21

Just because a pollster is wrong doesnt mean the numbers "dont match up" Callie1979 Dec 18 #38

Democrats said repeatedly that trump was entitled to do as many recounts as he wanted to pay for and rainin Dec 19 #49

This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Dec 19 #51

No one is saying Harris isn't "allowed" to question the results. She has chosen not to question them. tritsofme Dec 19 #53

You believe without evidence that her not doing any rainin Dec 19 #56

The Harris campaign and DNC have elite lawyers and experts. Someone like Marc Elias would be all over any actual problem tritsofme Dec 19 #61

2000. Gore. rainin Dec 19 #65

Nope. Trump had to be done with recounts by Dec 14th! It's the law. LeftInTX Dec 20 #90

So all they have to do is hack the election and alter the count past the margin that would require a recount. nt pnwmom Dec 19 #67

Is there any evidence that anything was hacked? Any fraudulent counts? No. Callie1979 Dec 19 #72

All the states should have paper ballots and do an automatic recount of a portion by hand pnwmom Dec 20 #102

Yep. And democrats will scream 'accept the results!" rainin Dec 20 #96

Interesting. returnee Dec 19 #69

Is there any proof of the vote being rigged? Machines hacked? No, there's not Callie1979 Dec 19 #74

As far as I can see... returnee Dec 19 #83

Sorry, no other polls showed Harris winning. Not even Harris's OWN polls. Callie1979 Dec 19 #85

Wrong by so much? returnee Dec 20 #94

Trump is a sore winner. This lawsuit will be thrown out! LeftInTX Dec 18 #4

Something still smells rotten KS Toronado Dec 18 #5

She was leading in the polls but lost in turnout. LisaM Dec 18 #16

I remember she wasn't leading and everyone was saying, "The polls are wrong and are Republican polls" LeftInTX Dec 19 #41

We ran the wrong candidate. Frank D. Lincoln Dec 19 #42

We didn't have a primary TheFarseer Dec 19 #52

I certainly wanted Shapiro for VP. But the top wouldve been fine too Callie1979 Dec 19 #76

Facts are awkward things. Thank you for sharing this EdmondDantes_ Dec 19 #44

Harris' own internal polls showed this as well Sympthsical Dec 19 #60

For all campaign. Biden/Harris internals had them at best tied in most swing states... Self Esteem Dec 19 #78

I admittedly fell into the same trap Sympthsical Dec 19 #80

I don't necessarily think it was a trap...it definitely felt like the vibes had shifted. Self Esteem Dec 19 #82

This is the truth. The polls were actually correct. We just cherrypicked which polls we liked. Self Esteem Dec 19 #73

Except the voters did turn out down ballot. Supposedly millions of solid democrats voted D up and down the ballot pnwmom Dec 19 #68

That's hardly the only potential answer EdmondDantes_ Dec 19 #70

That's not true. It's actually the other way around. Self Esteem Dec 19 #79

Where did you get your numbers? That's not what this analysis says. pnwmom Dec 19 #84

The actual results. Self Esteem Dec 20 #86

You must have a link then. Here's more about mine. pnwmom Dec 20 #87

It's not hard to find. Self Esteem Dec 20 #103

The results are from the official results. Not a blog. LeftInTX Dec 20 #89

But combining the votes for Harris and Trump into a total covers up the fact pnwmom Dec 20 #91

You specifically said they left president blank!!!! So is it switcharoo??? LeftInTX Dec 20 #92

Did you run "all kinds of tests" on the day of the election? Because it came out in court in 2022 pnwmom Dec 22 #104

We have 500 machines. They are all locked and guarded behind barb wire! A hacker would need to access each machine! LeftInTX Dec 22 #105

Harris performed about 3 points worse in NM than Biden did. tritsofme Dec 22 #106

Trump is a master of projection DeeDeeNY Dec 18 #22

Doesn't sound paranoid to me. yellow dahlia Dec 18 #29

Your points are all valid, yellow dahlia Dec 18 #23

Harris' internal polls never showed her ahead in battlegrounds Sympthsical Dec 19 #57

he also said he'd get 100 million votes this time. Callie1979 Dec 19 #75

You could take a poll today and due to some doc03 Dec 18 #6

That's his plan. maxsolomon Dec 18 #7

That is his buisiness plan I guess sue and doc03 Dec 18 #10

Right - he says he is ready to spend money on lawsuits. yellow dahlia Dec 18 #25

"I dont know how he could win other than just forcing them to spend millions to defend themselves." SunSeeker Dec 18 #8

I think the people and entities, who can afford it, should say: bring it on. yellow dahlia Dec 18 #27

There's this thing in statistics called "outliers" mchill Dec 18 #9

I was just saying the same thing yellow dahlia Dec 18 #28

I suppose with ridiculous lawsuits come ridiculous theories. tritsofme Dec 18 #12

I'll have a tall glass of Discovery, with Selzer and a wedge of lime BoRaGard Dec 18 #13

Her poll might be correct, but assume Johonny Dec 18 #14

Something does smell Cherokee100 Dec 18 #18

And the bomb threats at certain precincts on election day. yellow dahlia Dec 18 #30

This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Dec 18 #32

This cilla4progress Dec 18 #20

Selzer's polling was desperately and embarrassingly wrong. End of. stopdiggin Dec 18 #24

"Us" live love laugh Dec 18 #26

I could not find that Ann Selzer said that. yellow dahlia Dec 18 #34

she missed the IA result by a whopping 16 points stopdiggin Dec 18 #35

Please do not put words in my mouth, yellow dahlia Dec 18 #36

and yet, said poll - when all is said and done - was desperately at odds with the actual result. stopdiggin Dec 18 #39

Link to where she said that? obamanut2012 Dec 19 #59

No kidding - Selzer's poll may well have been the worst poll since the infamous Literary Digest poll in 1936 predicted Midwestern Democrat Dec 20 #99

Selzer apparently HAD a very fine career, an excellent record stopdiggin Dec 20 #101

We're never getting a hand recount, so who knows? Karasu Dec 18 #31

I believe that karin_sj Dec 18 #33

The unreported aspect is how many had uncounted provisional ballots, rejected mail-in ballots, ... Festivito Dec 19 #43

Good points. Define free and fair. n/t yellow dahlia Dec 19 #50

Compare and contrast: justice system versus Justice system. Festivito Dec 19 #55

I've had that thought.. dchill Dec 19 #45

Lol Polybius Dec 19 #47

That poll was an outlier as all of the other polls showed Trump winning but not by as much as he did andym Dec 19 #48

Can we also sue him for thinking he'll win California and New York? Norbert Dec 19 #54

Sure! LeftInTX Dec 19 #62

People here know I am not a tinfoiler, but I think her poll was dead on right obamanut2012 Dec 19 #58

There are more reasons to believe it was right, than not. IMHO yellow dahlia Dec 19 #71

I Can't Get Excited RobinA Dec 19 #63

"Hmmmm....." Indeed! BadGimp Dec 19 #64

Aren't polls just snapshots of moments in time. If you Nixie Dec 19 #66

Thats what i think! sunflowerseed Dec 19 #77

Considering Trump won Iowa by 13 points iemanja Dec 19 #81

What would that prove? Kaleva Dec 20 #88

Nothing, except proving he cheated. Emile Dec 20 #93

Or somebody screwed up in one state Kaleva Dec 20 #95

It's not the poll that's "wrong" Patton French Dec 20 #97

I never believed he won fairly Dem4life1234 Dec 20 #98

I am looking at it through the same lens as you. yellow dahlia Dec 20 #100