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Rhiannon12866

(224,281 posts)
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 09:29 PM Dec 17

'Madness': Democrats still aren't taking the age issue seriously, says Chris Hayes - All In - MSNBC



Chris Hayes on how Democrats have still not learned a very important lesson about aging leadership. “It just feels like a moment of genuine madness,” says Hayes on 74-year-old Rep. Gerry Connolly beating out AOC for the top spot on the Oversight Committee. - Aired on 12/17/2024.
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'Madness': Democrats still aren't taking the age issue seriously, says Chris Hayes - All In - MSNBC (Original Post) Rhiannon12866 Dec 17 OP
Maddening is putting it mildly. Cobalt Violet Dec 17 #1
It's incredibly frustrating. Resisting progress is what Republicans do. I'm completely on board with trusting the future Karasu Dec 17 #11
I just made a similar reply on another post ItsjustMe Dec 17 #12
I know. FoxNewsSucks Dec 17 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author Skittles Dec 17 #2
Damn fool fogies! Just Jerome Dec 17 #3
I have to agree... Think. Again. Dec 17 #4
Well said - and I agree. Rhiannon12866 Dec 17 #5
I'm 63 and approve this message. Lunabell Dec 17 #6
Wow! Very well said! We have so many up-and-coming and capable Democrats who will soon be leading the party Rhiannon12866 Dec 17 #7
Thank you. Lunabell Dec 17 #8
I was shocked to hear the Nancy Pelosi just fell and broke her hip and needed surgery. colorado_ufo Dec 17 #9
Agreed! We were just told that she fell and was "injured" and hospitalized Rhiannon12866 Dec 17 #10
As I recall she has not endeared herself to members of the House when first elected question everything Dec 17 #13
Old and Out of Touch Asarchus45 Wednesday #15
Welcome to DU! Rhiannon12866 Wednesday #16
Were these people old and in the way as well? sheshe2 Wednesday #17
There was more energy and enthusiasm at AOC's Harris rallies than anywhere else BeyondGeography Wednesday #18

Cobalt Violet

(9,922 posts)
1. Maddening is putting it mildly.
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 09:36 PM
Dec 17

I'm livid. I should probably not say what I think as I will likely get banned.

Karasu

(368 posts)
11. It's incredibly frustrating. Resisting progress is what Republicans do. I'm completely on board with trusting the future
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 11:03 PM
Dec 17

to a new generation. It's long overdue.

ItsjustMe

(11,799 posts)
12. I just made a similar reply on another post
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 11:22 PM
Dec 17

It's like walking on eggshells on this forum, I cannot say how I really feel because of my fear of getting banned.

FoxNewsSucks

(10,840 posts)
14. I know.
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 11:51 PM
Dec 17

And they will continue to wonder why we keep losing elections to filth like tRump.

Media rightwing ownership and bias are a big part of that, but not the only part.

Response to Rhiannon12866 (Original post)

Think. Again.

(19,041 posts)
4. I have to agree...
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 09:54 PM
Dec 17

Even today, here on DU, I read multiple posts deriding young Americans and being blatantly ageist by arguing against their opinions based solely on the fact that they are young.

I am not young, but I certainly don't believe that my age magically makes me superior to anyone younger, especially not when it comes to opinions and positions on issues that will ultimately be the burden of those who will actually have to live through the decades those issues will impact the most.

Rhiannon12866

(224,281 posts)
5. Well said - and I agree.
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 10:07 PM
Dec 17

I'm particularly impressed with AOC and I subscribe to her newsletter rather than my own Rep. here in New York since I'm stuck with Stefanik. And I am always impressed with AOC's knowledge and take on the issues as well as her willingness to answer questions at her well organized Town Halls. Stefanik, on the other hand, only has the rare telephone Town Hall and blocks those who don't agree with her or asks questions she doesn't like. I'm glad that we're going to be rid of her, but I cringe at the damage she could do on her new "job."

Lunabell

(7,064 posts)
6. I'm 63 and approve this message.
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 10:10 PM
Dec 17

Change or die!
There's too much good in the Democratic party to let it die, but if the older, set in their ways folks don't change and learn, it will. We will never again win major elections. We need less older, wealthy Democrats and more youthful, energetic working class folks in this party. People who are willing to listen to the working class. Make policies that benefit workers. And speak to the problem of the corporatization of America. Neoliberalism is killing this party. Change or die.

Rhiannon12866

(224,281 posts)
7. Wow! Very well said! We have so many up-and-coming and capable Democrats who will soon be leading the party
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 10:19 PM
Dec 17

AOC and Hakeem Jeffries immediately come to mind. Kudos to Nancy Pelosi for stepping aside and passing on her knowledge and experience to Jeffries. I'm looking forward to him becoming Speaker!

Lunabell

(7,064 posts)
8. Thank you.
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 10:32 PM
Dec 17

That was a kind thing to say. I'm always fearful of being too critical, but I think it all needs to be discussed. I've always been pretty radical in my thinking and one of the main reasons I stick with the Democratic party is their willingness to change views.

Like HRC. She once supported the stupid Sanctity of marriage crap, but she evolved and was able to change policy about LGBTQIA folks. People in this party need to reach out to us working class folks. Quit supporting corporations that don't support their workers. Neoliberalism is dead.

Somehow the republicans have convinced working class folks that their policies are good for them. Now, we all know that's a load of crap, but they have successfully done it. Progressives like AOC and others have it right and do just that. They speak to workers and workers rights.

colorado_ufo

(5,937 posts)
9. I was shocked to hear the Nancy Pelosi just fell and broke her hip and needed surgery.
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 10:49 PM
Dec 17

This is a very dangerous injury at her age!

Rhiannon12866

(224,281 posts)
10. Agreed! We were just told that she fell and was "injured" and hospitalized
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 10:54 PM
Dec 17

And this is a serious injury at any age, let alone at 84.

question everything

(49,079 posts)
13. As I recall she has not endeared herself to members of the House when first elected
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 11:34 PM
Dec 17

Like many before her and after she expected to conquer the House in a a storm. Did not work that way.

Asarchus45

(2 posts)
15. Old and Out of Touch
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 12:15 AM
Wednesday

The Democrats must turn over leadership to younger, stronger people. Otherwise, we are slipping into gerontocracy. 74-year old cancer sufferers are NOT shining examples of dynamic youth. I’m 79 now. I’m ready to step aside for new blood.

sheshe2

(88,143 posts)
17. Were these people old and in the way as well?
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 12:38 AM
Wednesday

We should have kicked all these men to the curb because they WERE SICK TOO!

Fact! These men changed our lives for the better.

Teddie Kennedy


Kennedy's malignant brain tumor was diagnosed in May 2008, after a seizure struck him while at home on the Cape. He underwent a lengthy surgery in June 2008. Aided by cancer treatments, he returned to his work in the Senate late in 2008, pushing for an overhaul of the nation's health care system and promoting legislation giving the FDA regulatory powers over tobacco products.

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Kennedy had hoped to be at the center of this year's debate over a landmark bill remaking the American health care system. Even after suffering a seizure on Inauguration Day, he again returned to work. He took part in early legislative skirmishes on behalf of the new president — whose nomination for the White House he had given a boost with an early endorsement. But as his illness advanced, Kennedy was unable to take the gavel when the Senate committee he chaired took up the bill in June.

https://www.npr.org/2009/08/26/90557651/ted-kennedy-senates-liberal-lion-dies

FDR
Franklin D. Roosevelt was the 32nd President of the United States. Not only did he serve an unprecedented four terms in office, but he was also the first president with a significant physical disability. FDR was diagnosed with infantile paralysis, better known as polio, in 1921, at the age of 39. Although dealing with this crippling disease was difficult, many believe that his personal struggles helped shape FDR, both as a man and as a president.


https://www.fdrlibrary.org/polio

Assuming the Presidency at the depth of the Great Depression, Franklin D. Roosevelt helped the American people regain faith in themselves. He brought hope as he promised prompt, vigorous action, and asserted in his Inaugural Address, “the only thing we have to fear is fear itself.”

https://www.whitehouse.gov/about-the-white-house/presidents/franklin-d-roosevelt/

JFK
President John F Kennedy's medical history: coeliac disease and autoimmune polyglandular syndrome type 2
Donatella Macchia 1, Donatella Lippi 2, Raffaella Bianucci 3, Simon Donell 4

President John F. Kennedy (JFK) had a complex medical history that is now thought to be an autoimmune polyglandular syndrome type 2 with Addison's disease and hypothyroidism. He also had gastrointestinal symptoms from adolescence, which now fit well with coeliac disease. In addition, he had a chronic back problem, which contributed to a chronic pain syndrome. This review looks at JFK's various diseases and focusses on the history of coeliac disease, as well as its presentation. JFK's Irish ancestry supports the hypothesis of a coeliac disease started early in his youth.

Accomplishments:

John F. Kennedy's most notable accomplishments as president include successfully navigating the Cuban Missile Crisis, establishing the Peace Corps, signing the Equal Pay Act, and playing a significant role in pushing forward civil rights legislation, although the latter was largely passed after his assassination; he is also credited with increasing the nation's focus on space exploration, leading to the moon landing goal set during his presidency.
Key achievements:
Cuban Missile Crisis:
Considered his greatest foreign policy success, Kennedy peacefully resolved a tense standoff with the Soviet Union over nuclear missiles in Cuba, preventing potential nuclear war.
Peace Corps:
Established the Peace Corps, a volunteer program to promote international understanding and development.
Equal Pay Act:
Signed the Equal Pay Act of 1963, which mandated equal pay for men and women performing substantially equal work.


Jamie Raskin overcame cancer.
Bernie Sanders had a heart attack.

This to name a few. By your logic... they should never have served. Or should they have stepped down too. Their contributions helped save this country.

Originally posted here:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219828625#post96

BeyondGeography

(40,068 posts)
18. There was more energy and enthusiasm at AOC's Harris rallies than anywhere else
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 02:15 AM
Wednesday

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She repeatedly outshone the candidate and all of her surrogates. Anyone who watched with something of an open mind would have to agree.

Too bad we won’t be able to fully leverage her talents as a party the next two years. But this is nothing more than a speed bump for her, much as her elders many of whom will be forced to exit the stage one way or another over the next 2-4 years would wish it to be otherwise.

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