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flamin lib

(14,559 posts) Mon Feb 16, 2015, 12:33 PM Feb 2015

BACKDOOR GUN CONTROL: OBAMA’S ATF PROPOSES AR-15 AMMO BAN

Please forgive me for posting a link to Breitbart. But if you want to know what the gun nuts are upset about you might want to bookmark Breitbart news.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/02/15/backdoor-gun-control-obamas-atf-proposes-ar-15-ammo-ban/

Basically the BATF&E wants to ban armor piercing ammunition and the NRA is really upset about it because it might change the sales of the AR15 rifle and pistol gunz.

The good thing about this article though is that it offers a link to comment on the ban. The comment period ends March 16.

APAComments@atf.gov or via snail mail addressed to: Denise Brown, Mailstop 6N-602, Office of Regulatory Affairs, Enforcement Programs and Services, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives, 99 New York Avenue, NE, Washington, DC 20226: ATTN: AP Ammo Comments.

FWIW, I at one time owned a pistol that fired armor piercing ammunition. It would penetrate a 5 inch oak tree and from the looks of the splinters at the exit site the bullet was still traveling at 700-800 FPS. Enough to penetrate any soft body armor. There is almost no defense against this ammunition. I have since had the gun destroyed as per BATF requirements.

Please comment at the ATF and support a gun control group of your choice any way you can. Call/write you congress critters, write LTTEs and be heard. It makes a difference.

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BACKDOOR GUN CONTROL: OBAMA’S ATF PROPOSES AR-15 AMMO BAN (Original Post) flamin lib Feb 2015 OP

Holy ****, we're doomed. TheCowsCameHome Feb 2015 #1

This is not gun control, billh58 Feb 2015 #2

cost chemp Feb 2015 #4

Can't have it both ways chemp Feb 2015 #3

I read all 17 pages of the brief clffrdjk Feb 2015 #6

How to leave a comment. progressoid Feb 2015 #5

Good mwrguy Feb 2015 #7

TheCowsCameHome

(40,217 posts)

1. Holy ****, we're doomed.

Reply to flamin lib (Original post)

Mon Feb 16, 2015, 12:58 PM

Feb 2015

I knew that gun grabbin' Kenyan commie was ging to do this, didn't you, Clyde?

billh58

(6,642 posts)

2. This is not gun control,

Reply to flamin lib (Original post)

Mon Feb 16, 2015, 01:26 PM

Feb 2015

it is idiot control. Why would ANY civilian need armor piercing ammunition, unless of course it would be to defend against those evil government forces who are hell-bent on destroying the right-wing way of life.

chemp

(730 posts)

4. cost

Reply to billh58 (Reply #2)

Mon Feb 16, 2015, 01:32 PM

Feb 2015

Steel is cheaper than lead. That small amount of steel that designated the round as armor piercing also reduces the price of a box of 100 rounds by $10 to $15.
Most ranges around here do not allow the rounds any-who. So you need to fire them outdoors.

This is NRA gas on the fire. No real story, just fodder for the ignorant.

chemp

(730 posts)

3. Can't have it both ways

Reply to flamin lib (Original post)

Mon Feb 16, 2015, 01:29 PM

Feb 2015

If you want your AR-15 designated as a pistol, then armor piercing rounds that are fired from your AR can be classified as pistol rounds.
Therefore, green tipped, armor piercing .223 or .556 rounds, fired from your "pistol" may become illegal.
or
Rally to change the classification of your firearm BACK to a rifle and shoot whatever you want through it.

Regular copper-coated lead rounds are not illegal, and still plentiful throughout the country.

clffrdjk

(905 posts)

6. I read all 17 pages of the brief

Reply to chemp (Reply #3)

Mon Feb 16, 2015, 01:35 PM

Feb 2015

I did not see where they showed how the ammo met the definition of "armor piercing", did you see it anywhere?

progressoid

(50,789 posts)

5. How to leave a comment.

Reply to flamin lib (Original post)

Mon Feb 16, 2015, 01:34 PM

Feb 2015

How to comment – from the BATFE

ATF will carefully consider all comments, as appropriate, received on or before March 16, 2015, and will give comments received after that date the same consideration if it is practical to do so, but assurance of consideration cannot be given except as to comments received on or before March 16, 2015. ATF will not acknowledge receipt of comments. Submit comments in any of three ways (but do not submit the same comments multiple times or by more than one method):

ATF email: APAComments@atf.gov

Fax: (202) 648-9741.

Mail: Denise Brown, Mailstop 6N-602, Office of Regulatory Affairs, Enforcement Programs and Services, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives, 99 New York Avenue, NE, Washington, DC 20226: ATTN: AP Ammo Comments.

FOR FURTHER INFORMATION CONTACT: Denise Brown, Enforcement Programs and Services, Office of Regulatory Affairs, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives, U.S. Department of Justice, 99 New York Avenue, NE, Washington, DC 20226; telephone: (202) 648-7070.

mwrguy

(3,245 posts)

7. Good

Reply to flamin lib (Original post)

Mon Feb 16, 2015, 01:47 PM

Feb 2015

less ammo = less shooting

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