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Hepburn

(21,054 posts)
Thu Apr 10, 2014, 06:06 PM Apr 2014

I am the personal representative of an estate and someone seems to have stolen all of the guns...

...all are legal and registered.

Where do I start? This was just discovered and the person appears to have taken them out of state. We are talking thousands of dollars worth of guns. And...don't ask about them...I have no clue about what kind, etc. Value, however, is somewhere around $50K to $75K.

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I am the personal representative of an estate and someone seems to have stolen all of the guns... (Original Post) Hepburn Apr 2014 OP
PS Hepburn Apr 2014 #1
report it to mercuryblues Apr 2014 #2
Was the person an heir? nt DURHAM D Apr 2014 #3
No Hepburn Apr 2014 #5
I am confused. DURHAM D Apr 2014 #8
I am Hepburn Apr 2014 #14
Yes ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #4
I inherited the entire estate. Hepburn Apr 2014 #6
You need to talk to your attorney. DURHAM D Apr 2014 #9
Great advice. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #11
I'm not aware of any Federal Registry ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #10
I thought guns had to be registered... Hepburn Apr 2014 #13
I believe any registration is at the County or Municipal level ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #15
Thanks... Hepburn Apr 2014 #16
Good Business. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #17
BTW: Thanks for the info Hepburn Apr 2014 #7
There is no federal database, but the deceased may have insured them aikoaiko Apr 2014 #12
It sounds like the estate MAY have been a Curio and Relic collector. flamin lib Apr 2014 #18
wow...thank you Hepburn Apr 2014 #19
Not only did they steal those firearms, IronGate Apr 2014 #20

Hepburn

(21,054 posts)
1. PS
Thu Apr 10, 2014, 06:08 PM
Apr 2014

I have been told that the person intends to sell the guns. Would be done in the State of Utah...I think.

mercuryblues

(15,269 posts)
2. report it to
Thu Apr 10, 2014, 06:09 PM
Apr 2014

the police. I would rather the chips falling than bullets.
If a person would steal, they won't care who they sell weapons to.

Hepburn

(21,054 posts)
5. No
Thu Apr 10, 2014, 06:34 PM
Apr 2014

He was nominated at the executor of the estate and had access to the guns and took them.

DURHAM D

(32,853 posts)
8. I am confused.
Thu Apr 10, 2014, 06:38 PM
Apr 2014

Executor of an Estate is sometimes referred to as Personal Representative. Who is actually in charge at this point?

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
4. Yes ...
Thu Apr 10, 2014, 06:31 PM
Apr 2014

contact the police immediately.

As the personal rep to the estate, you have a fiduciary responsibility to provide a complete and accurate accounting of the estate's assets, and to distribute them according to the wishes of the decedent. Failure to do so, could expose you to liability.

A police report is evidence that you met your responsibility with respect to the missing guns.

Good Luck

Hepburn

(21,054 posts)
6. I inherited the entire estate.
Thu Apr 10, 2014, 06:35 PM
Apr 2014

Question I have: Is there a federal gun registry where I can pull up all the guns registered to the decedent?

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
10. I'm not aware of any Federal Registry ...
Thu Apr 10, 2014, 06:43 PM
Apr 2014

in fact, I doubt there is ... based on the gun control fight and the right's objection to the creation of one.

However, and to be blunt ... the question you have to answer is "Am I okay with this person (however it was) stealing from me?" because removing assets of an estate before probate, is theft.

A second consideration is whether the remaining assets (when liquidated) are enough to settle the creditor accounts. If not, you may not have a choice, but (to protect yourself) to contact L/E.

Hepburn

(21,054 posts)
13. I thought guns had to be registered...
Thu Apr 10, 2014, 08:02 PM
Apr 2014

...and I wrong? This took place in CA. So is this a state registration?

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
15. I believe any registration is at the County or Municipal level ...
Thu Apr 10, 2014, 08:05 PM
Apr 2014

and I don't think there is inter-state reciprocity (sharing).

Hepburn

(21,054 posts)
16. Thanks...
Thu Apr 10, 2014, 08:42 PM
Apr 2014

...I have a pal that is a police detective in the county where the guns were registered and taken and my first call tomorrow AM is to her!

aikoaiko

(34,204 posts)
12. There is no federal database, but the deceased may have insured them
Thu Apr 10, 2014, 07:42 PM
Apr 2014

And reported make, model, and serial number. The deceased may have recorded the information in his records.

and yes talk to your lawyer and police.

flamin lib

(14,559 posts)
18. It sounds like the estate MAY have been a Curio and Relic collector.
Thu Apr 10, 2014, 10:34 PM
Apr 2014

If so contact the BATF&E immediately. Shit, contact them anyway!

A C&R license is a form of federal firearms dealer and records must be kept and when the license expires must be turned over to the ATF. If there are records they will contain full description, serial number, date of purchase and disposition of the arms.

Call the FEDS NOW!

 

IronGate

(2,186 posts)
20. Not only did they steal those firearms,
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 11:10 AM
Apr 2014

but they took them across state lines, which is a federal offense.
BATFE and FBI should both be notified.

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