Women aren't being denied healthcare, or even contraception. this is about who pays for it. My understanding is that Hobby Lobby pays pretty well for retail. So. their female employees are free to use their earnings to purchase whatever birth control they want. No one will stop them. Or fire them for doing so.

I just think we need to keep this in perspective.

I bet you buy your yarn at Hobby Lobby.

I buy it on-line. www.knitpicks.com

That is the perspective. I'll leave it as an exercise for the reader to imagine some of the possible rulings.

the implications of this ruling are bad. so bad. for the USA. not just the womens which is by gawd bad fucking enough.

steam. out. my. ears.

PISSED OFF

Any businesss would have to meet a very rigid set of criteria. Not likely anyone would be able to "take a mile" using this as precedent.

just a tad bit more than yours.

disagree with RBG.

So fine - you don't really care about the Hobby Lobby decision. Bravo to you! Why do you linger in this thread, trying to convince us all to not get angry about it? I doubt you will succeed.

You may want to consider cutting your losses and just bowing out.

It was quite inaccurate. Perhaps you would like to do further reading and get a grasp of what is going on ...?

Ignorance is never attractive.

medication, procedures etc covered by insurance and think it's fine that they pay extra do not belong in this group.

We are not going to deal with that here in this group.

Please keep that in perspective.

And think SCOTUS id dead wrong!

To entry-level minimum-wage employees at Hobby Lobby, paying for contraceptives on top of health insurance could indeed be impossible, especially if the employee is a single mother.

That is de facto denial of health care.

And if not for misogynist religion - and really, misogyny period - it wouldn't be.

A pregnancy is a tremendous health burden on a woman, therefore PREVENTING pregnancy is a mandatory part of full health care for women.

Full stop.

You are in the wrong place if you want to argue this point.

It is not in any way, shape, or form up for debate here.

I'll bet you dollars to dounuts that their employee insurance covers Viagra or cialis...

us poor wimon folk are too fucking stooped to see the writing on the Rx pad. Thanks for straightening us out and telling us what to think. Being denied contraceptive coverage by your boss is a fine and dandy thing. Glad you cleared that up for me.

you don't truly understand the reasoning behind this bullshit, or the implications down the road - you have no clue, do you?

... all you have to do is pay for it. I hear some jobs even pay above minimum wage



Do you even hear yourself speak?

I can't even comment about this.

The thing to understand about supreme court rulings is what the full implications are. The fact the a company can use a religious excuse not to pay for anything is a precedent that will be challenged until this bullshit goes away. Hobby Lobby won. Do you honestly think this is going to stop here? An incredible waste of resources in about to ensue. The fact that it's directed toward women is a step back not just for reproductive rights, even though contraception medication is used for other conditions, but a very ugly exposure of the attitude of the court, as well as a slap n the face in the Affordable care act

The ruling had broader implications and is nothing but trouble. I suggest you read what happened legalistically before deciding it's no big deal

Another reason why we need an ERA.

Truly an awful decision. I really didn't think it would go this way. Now any employer can opt out of covering women.

I don't understand how your Supreme Court works, and I'm only just catching up on this Hobby Lobby thing as it's not really in the news over here. Sorry in advance for the barrage of questions...

Can Supreme Court decisions be overturned?
Are those judges there until they die or can they get sacked or forced to retire?
I haven't read the decision, but I'm not getting it. How can they so narrowly define a decision so that it can only discriminate against women, and say it's not fine to discriminate against other groups that religious nuts hate?
Why doesn't the US have a system like we have here (the PBS) where medication including birth control is subsidised by the government? Employers aren't involved in it at all, and that's the way it should be.
Is it possible that this decision will be used further down the track to widen things and justify discrimination against other groups that religious nutters hate?

btw, I got angry on behalf of you all when I followed a link to the Hobby Lobby FB page and saw the gloating about how their 'religious freedom' has been protected. Hobby Lobby isn't here, but if it was and I was into crap craft stuff, I'd be boycotting it. I hope they get boycotted to the max and shut down. I really do think the ones that own that company are a bunch of ugly and hateful fuckers.

How is depending on the wording of the ruling and the lawsuit-- which I haven't read. The internet is hysterical right now--I'm completely pissed off.

We don't have a reasonable system because insurance is like a big bloated spider

We are getting a hobby lobby in Seattle, and one thing about Seattle is we're great at protests. They will regret it. There is one in the suburbs as well. I'm trying to find out the who and what of protests-- because I'll be there

If you do go and protest, I'll be there with you in spirit