History of Feminism
Related: About this forumShout out to my friends in the History of Feminism group
Happy New Year. Two years ago there was an epic flame war on DU and I was on one side and many of the folks who founded the History of Feminism group were on the other side. And then, a wonderful thing happened. We reached across our differences. We stopped letting trolls divide us. We recognized that we had a lot in common - notably, a strong interest in talking about feminism on DU.
I've been a proud member of this group for a long time. I just want to say hello in solidarity to my buddies in the HoF group! Rock on.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)you helped me grow.... that, i always value
yardwork
(64,926 posts)I thought you were on double-secret probation or something.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)cause i am bad
lol
Squinch
(53,431 posts)redqueen
(115,173 posts)I miss your voice around here.
Over time I've developed a strong interest in talking about feminism at each and every opportunity!
katmondoo
(6,499 posts)September 13th 2014 in Washington on the US Capitol building grounds. Women have to start being more active to protect themselves from the Right Wing attacks.
mountain grammy
(27,433 posts)Checked in often, finally joined! Thanks to Trumad.
September is a wonderful time to be in DC. Count me in! Bringing my husband too.
Squinch
(53,431 posts)Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)Last edited Mon Dec 30, 2013, 06:05 PM - Edit history (1)
Smiling through some tears here ...
Have to get off line. Lots to do today.
The timing of all this culminating with the year's end ... symbolic.
*sigh*
Thanks for the shout out - means a lot today.
Little Star
(17,055 posts)PassingFair
(22,437 posts)Really nasty stuff.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)shit now, were never a serious part of the issue. they were the fringe that yardwork is talking about. egging it on with ugly glee
feminists as a whole has gotten past this. and we will not go back.... how stupid is that.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)yardwork
(64,926 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Starry Messenger
(32,375 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)cinnabonbon
(860 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)cinnabonbon
(860 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Squinch
(53,431 posts)DURHAM D
(32,854 posts)Good post.
Feminists are under siege on DU and I truly appreciate the uppity women here who continue to fight the good fight.
Have a good year everyone.
yardwork
(64,926 posts)I remember that.
hlthe2b
(107,144 posts)Yes, indeed. We are all the better for "dissolving" that divide.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)What a wonderful message!
MadrasT
(7,237 posts)Happy New Year.
Texasgal
(17,173 posts)So good to see you!!!
TBF
(34,838 posts)to my old MIRT friend!
yardwork
(64,926 posts)Want to thank you all individually but it would clog up the thread. Just want to send a hug and Happy New Year wishes to all of you and your loved ones.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Every time I hold out an olive branch, someone, from one side or the other, whacks me in the face with it.
BainsBane
(55,033 posts)Your example would be more akin to feminists and MRAs getting together. Hers is more like those who favor glocks vs. (fill in name of another handgun).
Besides, I think you and I get along okay, as I do with a few other pro-2A people.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)joyed.
I couldn't point to a specific time when that happened, but I have noticed it.
I haven't followed HoF enough, to know what exactly is happening there.
UtahLib
(3,180 posts)I am a proud new member of HOF. I remember your last post in Meta and replying in support of you, probably one of my very first posts. I'm so happy to see you have returned in spite of the abusers. We need you here.
Happy, happy holidays
Shar
boston bean
(36,534 posts)You are very much liked and always welcome here!
ismnotwasm
(42,486 posts)xulamaude
(847 posts)I was not privy to what went down 2 years ago but I think I can sorta figure it out...
Anyway, thanks for being here - we need all the strong voices we can muster.
Happy New Year to you too! See you around
azmom
(5,208 posts)Got "full frontal feminism" I have read the first three chapters. It's very good. Thank you all for all the wonderful info you have provided. I have learned much this past year. Happy new year to all.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Jessica and I differ on several issues, porn and statutory rape being the two that come most immediately to mind. But damn if she doesnt present solid, grounded arguments for her points of view. And while we may not agree on everything, the fact is that Jessica gets it. She is well-schooled in both academic feminism as well as day-to-day, life-lesson feminism and as a general rule she errs on the side of lived feminism, which is incredibly refreshing. Ive done the academic feminism thing hell, Im still doing it and while I love me some theory, at the end of the day, the way women live their lives and negotiate feminism with their lived realities matters a whole lot more than theory ever will. So her book isnt laden with academic terms. Jessica isnt trying to remind you that shes smarter and more feminist than you are. And after spending a semester reading Butler and Foucault, sitting down with Full Frontal Feminism was a nice change. I could read it, be entertained, learn something, and not feel like I was having to work at it.
Full Frontal Feminism is intended to target younger women high school and early college-aged would be my guess. I didnt identify as a feminist until college, not because I didnt have feminist beliefs, but because I hadnt met anyone my own age who identified as feminist, and because I bought into a lot of the negative stereotypes about feminism. If you had thrown Andrea Dworkin or Judith Butler at 16-year-old Jill, she would have told you it was the most ridiculous thing she had ever read and thrown it back at you. But if you had given me Full Frontal Feminism, I would have thought twice about the feminist label. That was Jessicas point not to impress the theory-whores out there. Not to convert the 25-year-old grad student. Not to open the eyes of the 60-year-old veteran feminist who spent her whole life on the front lines. But to reach out to the younger women who have been scared away from feminism by the conservative backlash and an unsympathetic media.
Thats incredibly important. And thats why so many of the criticisms of Full Frontal Feminism have pissed me off so much.
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You dont have to agree with everything Jessica writes, or how she writes it, or how she packages it. Criticism is crucial to building a more effective movement, and to making us all better people. But the snipes and the little cruelties leveled at Jessica are making my skin crawl. I want to believe that we can be constructive in our criticisms, that we can realize that were all trying to make progress toward gender equality and/or womens liberation, and that even if we go about it in different ways, our hearts are in the right place. I want to believe that, while feminism may not unite us, it will at least offer some common ground. I want to believe that even if we quibble on the details, we will nonetheless support each other and have each others backs. I want to believe that we wont cut each other down in the way that the rest of the whole fucking world cuts us down. It makes me incredibly sad to know that that isnt the case.
Jessica is doing the hard work of making feminism accessible to a wide range of younger women. She is at the forefront of online feminist activism. She is well-versed in feminist theory. She is someone who Im happy to see taking the lead in my generation of feminists. She is one of the kindest, smartest, most generous people I have ever met. She should be incredibly proud of what shes accomplished. Im incredibly proud of her. And I offer her my sincerest congratulations on a job well done.
http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/05/16/full-frontal-feminism/
a lot more in the article. it was interesting. thank you for mentioning. this seems one of the more fair and balanced critiques