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scottie55

(1,400 posts)
Wed May 18, 2016, 01:16 AM May 2016

With The 3rd Way In Charge, Our Democratic Party Is Dead

The 1% won't be able to prop up the corporate Dems for much longer.

Their time for this world is almost up.

Long live the new Democratic Party. One that doesn't sell out to Wall Street, and cash in at every opportunity.

Millions of us have had enough of being screwed every which way to Sunday while the filthy rich get richer robbing us, avoiding taxes, and destroying our planet along with our children's future.

The Revolution Will Not Be Stopped!

Every single Hillary Supporting Super Delegate will be primaried by someone who will actually work on fixing what is wrong with our country. The gravy train is soon to run off the tracks regardless who slithers into the White House.

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With The 3rd Way In Charge, Our Democratic Party Is Dead (Original Post) scottie55 May 2016 OP
many of the supers are not current office holders lapfog_1 May 2016 #1
All The Supers In Washington State Are Elected Officials And Will Be Challenged scottie55 May 2016 #5
No, all your DNC members are superdelegates, too. Jim Lane May 2016 #10
Turn off your cable, the Internet, keep your old car underthematrix May 2016 #2
My Car Gets 150 MPG scottie55 May 2016 #3
LOL! I don't consume unless i absolutely have to. underthematrix May 2016 #4
Our Party Elders Think All Them "Kids" Are Gonna Accept Corporate Sellout Dems? scottie55 May 2016 #6
You'd be on to something if those kids remained kids. griffi94 May 2016 #7
Next will be Generation ZZZ. chwaliszewski May 2016 #8
Yep griffi94 May 2016 #11
We Have A Word For People Like This billhicks76 May 2016 #9

lapfog_1

(30,232 posts)
1. many of the supers are not current office holders
Wed May 18, 2016, 01:20 AM
May 2016

they are either retired or never ran for office... many are, in fact, now lobbyists or otherwise champions of various industries.

Perfect example is Barney Franks... who now only sits on the Board of Directors for a major bank.

 

scottie55

(1,400 posts)
5. All The Supers In Washington State Are Elected Officials And Will Be Challenged
Wed May 18, 2016, 01:33 AM
May 2016

By people actually listening to what the people want.

You know, Washington State.

The place where they gave Boeing a 9 BILLION DOLLAR TAX CUT.

Every single person in this state knows we are being robbed.

Boeing, go ahead and leave. We will just charge you one million dollars per visit per plane.

This race to the bottom, corporate handout crap has to stop.

The spineless scumbags in our state government couldn't wait to pony up the money to the corporate rapists.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
10. No, all your DNC members are superdelegates, too.
Wed May 18, 2016, 07:11 AM
May 2016

The two main categories of superdelegates are incumbent Democratic officeholders (Governors, U.S. House, U.S. Senate) and a bunch of party apparatchiks. The latter are actually much more numerous than the better-known ones who can be readily primaried. From Wikipedia comes this breakdown of the 719 superdelegates:

Unpledged delegates represent about 15% of the overall convention votes (4,770 delegates, 4,766 votes) and come from several categories of prominent Democratic Party members:
* 438 elected members (with 434 votes) from the Democratic National Committee (including the chairs and vice-chairs of each state's Democratic Party)
* 20 distinguished party leaders (DPL), consisting of current and former presidents, current and former vice-presidents, former congressional leaders, and former DNC chairs
* 193 Democratic members of the United States House of Representatives (including non-voting delegates from DC and territories)
* 47 Democratic members of the United States Senate (including Washington, DC shadow senators)
* 21 Democratic governors (including territorial governors and the Mayor of the District of Columbia).


As compared with other Sanders supporters, I'm not as hostile to the superdelegate status of the elected officials. They've at least been elected directly by the people and, as you point out, can be primaried.

It's the role of the party functionaries that's fundamentally undemocratic. Your state is a good example. It appears that, in Washington state, the voters in the primary in August will also choose precinct committee officers. Those PCOs will choose the members of the County organizations and Legislative District organizations, who will choose the members of the Washington State Democratic Central Committee, who will choose the state chair, vice chair, and DNC representatives. The foregoing is what I glean from the state party's website.

Note how attenuated any popular input is. The PCO positions are on the ballot only where there's a contest which, I'm guessing, there often won't be. Even in a contest, it will be one that's attracted virtually no attention or media coverage, and the vast majority of rank-and-file voters will be suddenly confronted by two or more names that are completely unfamiliar to them. The party regulars will win uncontested seats and will win most of the contests just by having alerted their stalwarts in advance. Then the additional intervening levels of voting mean that the eventual superdelegates are even more removed from the popular vote.

That same web page says:

Want to get more involved in your local party and have a voice in how our party is run? Run to become a precinct committee officer. The deadline to file is Friday!


There's a link there that brings you to more information about the PCO races, including this little gem:

Local Democratic Party organizations have the right to appoint PCOs to fill any seats left vacant - either because no one filed to run, or because the elected PCO has stepped down.


If you want to wade into this swamp, you have until May 20 to file to run for PCO. To the party's credit, that second link does at least have the information. Good luck to you and any other progressives who go for it!


underthematrix

(5,811 posts)
2. Turn off your cable, the Internet, keep your old car
Wed May 18, 2016, 01:22 AM
May 2016

get a land line. Cut up your credit cards and stop consuming non essentials. Now that would be a revolution.

I'm not kidding

 

scottie55

(1,400 posts)
6. Our Party Elders Think All Them "Kids" Are Gonna Accept Corporate Sellout Dems?
Wed May 18, 2016, 01:36 AM
May 2016

All those Bernie supporters?

Millions of them?

Ain't gonna happen.

The pigs better cash in now.

griffi94

(3,830 posts)
7. You'd be on to something if those kids remained kids.
Wed May 18, 2016, 01:44 AM
May 2016

But they don't
They grow up and take on spouses and jobs and
car payments and mortgages and bills for the electricity
and the propane and the cable.

Then they creep toward middle age with kids and responsibilities
just like every other generations has.

The Greatest Generation, the Baby Boomers, Generation X
Generation Y.

They won't stay revolutionary any more than any previous generation did.



 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
9. We Have A Word For People Like This
Wed May 18, 2016, 04:14 AM
May 2016

Too bad Clintonites in their weakness can't handle it. So pathetic. Makes me cry that I'm associated with them as a Democrat.

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