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scottie55

(1,400 posts)
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 10:49 AM Apr 2016

So What Is The Future Of The/My Democratic Party If Hillary Is The Nominee Folks?

This Bernie Supporter wants to know the future of our party if Hillary is most likely our "leader".

Your opinion?

Please rec and answer.

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So What Is The Future Of The/My Democratic Party If Hillary Is The Nominee Folks? (Original Post) scottie55 Apr 2016 OP
MOTS KansDem Apr 2016 #1
With Hillary's election, the 3rd-Way conservative takeover of the Democratic party will move Kip Humphrey Apr 2016 #2
Doom. haikugal Apr 2016 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author Kalidurga Apr 2016 #4
The future of the Party will be determined by a three-step process: Maedhros Apr 2016 #5
That is what I was talking about in Post #8 ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #11
None...natta....this shit has been going on since they killed Kennedy. ViseGrip Apr 2016 #6
The end of the current democratic party as we know it. PFunk1 Apr 2016 #7
That depends on how Bernie Supporters ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #8
it ceased to be "my" party LiberalElite Apr 2016 #9
seems to me if sanders asks us to mooseprime Apr 2016 #10
"Your" version of an alternative Democratic Party doesn't exist outside of Bernie World. procon Apr 2016 #12
Is it your party??!! oldandhappy Apr 2016 #13
Its future is corporatist-warhawk-neoliberalism AgerolanAmerican Apr 2016 #14
Continue to build on Obama's goals of more affordable healthcare for all, Nitram Apr 2016 #15
We need to continue fighting as activists - TBF Apr 2016 #16

Kip Humphrey

(4,753 posts)
2. With Hillary's election, the 3rd-Way conservative takeover of the Democratic party will move
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 10:53 AM
Apr 2016

to completion.

Response to scottie55 (Original post)

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
5. The future of the Party will be determined by a three-step process:
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 10:57 AM
Apr 2016

1. Elect increasingly corporate-friendly candidates
2. ?
3. Progressive government!

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
11. That is what I was talking about in Post #8 ...
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 11:11 AM
Apr 2016

a lesson that COULD have been learned was:

The future of the Party will be determined by a FIVE-step process:

1. Register in the Democratic Party
2. Identify increasingly progressive candidates (at all levels of government)
3. WORK YOUR ASS OFF FOR SAID CANDIDATE(S)
4. VOTE FOR SAID CANDIDATE(S)
5. Progressive government!

(Note: Steps 1 and 2 are inter-changeable.)

 

ViseGrip

(3,133 posts)
6. None...natta....this shit has been going on since they killed Kennedy.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 10:58 AM
Apr 2016

They have been choosing our presidents since electronic voting machines, they don't need the CIA to kill them. They use the voting machines.

What will happen? NOTHING IF YOU ACCEPT THIS.

This Bernie supporter is tired of getting shit and shittier on the ballot, when for Congress it's good, and better.

If Bernie is not on the ticket, I'll will choose the candidate that makes congress the most miserable to work with. I doubt that's Hillary!

Why should only the citizens be miserable? Let's make congress miserable too! I'm tired of caving into THEM.

We must learn to fight in a different way, for the fight has changed.

PFunk1

(185 posts)
7. The end of the current democratic party as we know it.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 10:59 AM
Apr 2016

And the growth of democratic independents. In fact I think their wont be a viable democratic party in 8-years due to driving off many 40-plus year old voters.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
8. That depends on how Bernie Supporters ...
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 11:00 AM
Apr 2016

and independents react, i.e., what lessons are learned.

ETA: Judging from the posts posted between the time I clicked on to reply and click the reply button ... no lessons were learned ... so I will change my reply to: The Democratic Party will carry on, just fine.

LiberalElite

(14,691 posts)
9. it ceased to be "my" party
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 11:01 AM
Apr 2016

when Bill Clinton and the DLC took it over so I don't care. Let it go and start over like a Phoenix rising from the ashes. It's time.

mooseprime

(474 posts)
10. seems to me if sanders asks us to
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 11:08 AM
Apr 2016

we'd take over the party in droves at the state level and overwhelm them numerically. it's pretty clear the numbers are there. it might take a while but re-tooling the national mechanisms to make a 3rd party viable will take longer than i'm willing to wait. based on my caucusing experiences here in washington state the party is too feeble on a state level to offer any serious resistance. the county caucus over the weekend was the most poorly organized thing i've ever witnessed: 5 hours in and they still hadn't managed to count the number of people present and check them off the list. sanders supporters outnumbered clinton supporters say 10:1.

there's really not a minute to lose: if clinton's fossil fuels and weapons pals get influence in the white house all that will be left for our children is a toxic cinder.

procon

(15,805 posts)
12. "Your" version of an alternative Democratic Party doesn't exist outside of Bernie World.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 11:27 AM
Apr 2016

So when Bernie gets done campaigning, he will go to Hillary and try to negotiate a place on the agenda and get her to promote some of his ideas into her platform in exchange for his support. If you didn't know already, this is a story as old as time that gets retread in every election.

Sorry, no rec is forthcoming, as this is basic knowledge stuff.

oldandhappy

(6,719 posts)
13. Is it your party??!!
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 11:46 AM
Apr 2016

No longer mine. DNC and DWS and our local county chair are all such manipulators...power, money, gamesmanship, and no democracy that I can see.

 

AgerolanAmerican

(1,000 posts)
14. Its future is corporatist-warhawk-neoliberalism
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 12:34 PM
Apr 2016

that's what sells in dumbed-down America I guess

I'd rather not have that happen, because making a new party is a herculean task, being in minor-party exile is no fun at all, and I'm not quite ready yet to cede this one to the 1%.

Nitram

(24,728 posts)
15. Continue to build on Obama's goals of more affordable healthcare for all,
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 02:53 PM
Apr 2016

investment in renewable energy, investment in infrastructure, stopping police abuse of power, higher minimum wage, support for unions, equal pay for women and other minorities, campaign finance reform, intelligent immigrant policy, criminal justice reform, climate change and voting rights.

TBF

(34,748 posts)
16. We need to continue fighting as activists -
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 08:31 AM
Apr 2016

and I am hopeful that if Bernie doesn't make it he will walk away and/or help us form a third party that is viable (some sort of collaboration with Greens).

I feel very sad about this because I have voted for every democratic nominee for president since 1992. But all evidence indicates the party has either lost it's way or has ruthlessly determined that poverty is not where it's at anymore. I feel that the working class has been abandoned. As the gap in income widens and our environment is becoming more tenuous every day we will have to act boldly to enact change. That is not going to happen in the current democratic party with the person it is obviously selecting to represent it.

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