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scottie55

(1,400 posts)
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 10:40 AM Apr 2016

Who Would Like The Tax Cheats Locked Up?

Please rec if you think the Americans who evaded taxes illegally by using Mossack Fonseca should be locked up.

Comments?

I work my ass off, sometimes 7 days a week running a business, and paying an insane amount of taxes.

Those folks exposed?

They don't pay squat, because they are "allowed" to cheat, and their biggest worry is trying to find a landing port for their yacht.

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Who Would Like The Tax Cheats Locked Up? (Original Post) scottie55 Apr 2016 OP
K&R. dchill Apr 2016 #1
Lock them all up! No one left to run for anything except Bernie Sanders! ViseGrip Apr 2016 #2
Kick! - eom fleur-de-lisa Apr 2016 #3
I'm sitting here turbotaxing for the first time in forty years because my roguevalley Apr 2016 #21
I couldn't use turbotax anymore, .......................... turbinetree Apr 2016 #50
thanks. I feel you frustration. we don't have a state tax here :D roguevalley Apr 2016 #51
I just wish that if your going to sell..................... turbinetree Apr 2016 #58
I would like the tax cheats to pay their taxes, present and back. NV Whino Apr 2016 #4
+1 ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #26
Take them right down to their last shit stained pair of underwear! Ensure brewens Apr 2016 #30
would love to see them locked up and those who wrote the laws rurallib Apr 2016 #5
just take everything they have and put em on the street tk2kewl Apr 2016 #6
So that they can tap into the social safety net? 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #27
Well, you gotta admit it would be well funded. JoeyT Apr 2016 #44
Only if we were able to seige they assets, first. 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #47
I'm up for the death penalty here... mwooldri Apr 2016 #7
Grab the pitchforks!! Roland99 Apr 2016 #8
these are crimes against humanity because people died. I would grab a pitchfork. I have one. roguevalley Apr 2016 #23
the only thing they value is money, so they pay back taxes and fines larkrake Apr 2016 #9
Jail will help the country. Seeing these fuckers behind bars IN SPITE of their money will do wonders roguevalley Apr 2016 #24
Please........ daleanime Apr 2016 #10
Too big to lock up? How much does Trump have hidden offshore? Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2016 #11
Nope sarge43 Apr 2016 #12
No! They've been living off our tax dollars enough already. Seize their ass-ests and make em do FailureToCommunicate Apr 2016 #13
And throw away the friggin' key! KPN Apr 2016 #14
Works for me Nt. abelenkpe Apr 2016 #15
the tax frauds will just move their money to a place that welcomes them dembotoz Apr 2016 #16
Never gonna happen on Hillary's watch. Phlem Apr 2016 #17
Agreed. Take them down! nm floriduck Apr 2016 #18
Here Jack Rabbit Apr 2016 #19
I would love for all... Else You Are Mad Apr 2016 #20
The rules should apply to everyone, equally. mainer Apr 2016 #22
Law and order! Law and Order! Lock them all up and take away their yachts. jalan48 Apr 2016 #25
If Hillary gets the nomination, kiss that idea goodbye. DrBulldog Apr 2016 #28
My poor Dad 5 years before he died. redstatebluegirl Apr 2016 #29
that's absolutely horrible renate Apr 2016 #40
Horrible. That is really sad. glinda Apr 2016 #53
raises hand . allan01 Apr 2016 #31
Pie in the sky dpatbrown Apr 2016 #32
Hillary's top donors locked up? retrowire Apr 2016 #33
Won't be surprised to find Clinton Foundation donors her & abroad implicated. stuffmatters Apr 2016 #37
Sentencing guideline Half-Century Man Apr 2016 #34
The only answer and confiscate money, property, etc.... glinda Apr 2016 #35
+ exile fierywoman Apr 2016 #36
Follow the Law Beowulf42 Apr 2016 #38
All i got to say is.... HawkMode Apr 2016 #39
Hell yes Pakid Apr 2016 #41
Gotta change the laws first... Fiendish Thingy Apr 2016 #42
I'd suggest a chain gang rebuilding our crumbling infrastructure.... Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2016 #43
I wonder who has done more harm to society. Punx Apr 2016 #45
Time for Torches and Pitchforks... Thespian2 Apr 2016 #46
They should pay all past and present taxes RoccoR5955 Apr 2016 #48
And confiscate their ill gotten loot! Dont call me Shirley Apr 2016 #49
No, Magoo48 Apr 2016 #52
locked up, and hit with the mother of all fines. Betty Karlson Apr 2016 #54
I try not to swear, but in answer to your question--fuck yes!!! Akamai Apr 2016 #55
forfeit their money. lock it all up. let them live on a pittance. pansypoo53219 Apr 2016 #56
what really pisses me off LittleGirl Apr 2016 #57
but but but the corporate run prisons would be without their corporate betters to run them! nt Javaman Apr 2016 #59
This won't make me popular here, but I think it depends. closeupready Apr 2016 #60
Back taxes (as well as can be established) Plucketeer Apr 2016 #61
Offshoring is a crime against humanity. Democrats_win Apr 2016 #62

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
21. I'm sitting here turbotaxing for the first time in forty years because my
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 01:13 PM
Apr 2016

tax lady is in an old folks home. I cannot begin to tell you the labor I put in all year to have to fuck over my taxes like this. I want them all in prison forever. PUT THEM IN FRONT OF A FIRING SQUAD FOR LIFE! NO EXCEPTIONS! If OBAMA is on the list, PRISON! FOREVER! What kind of psychopathy do you have to possess to have to accumulate that kind of wealth, then hide it? THIRTY TWO TRILLION DOLLARS!!! How many dead children does that represent? What kind of world could THIS HAVE BEEN IF THESE FUCKERS WERE HUMAN BEINGS FIRST!? NO MERCY! NONE FOR ANY OF THEM!

Now, if you'll excuse me ... I have to finish (*&^% turbotax my taxes.

turbinetree

(25,436 posts)
50. I couldn't use turbotax anymore, ..........................
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 10:25 PM
Apr 2016

every time I used them the state would not get all of the forms like the critical one 502c--------------------went to a tax person this year.

ran the program just for the simple fact to see what would happen and the 502c form was missing again, two years in a row...................again

Turbo tax is not that good there was a lawsuit filed two years ago with the taxes being taken out by a business and he had paid twice into the states system, and because my wife works in another state, MD and DE , basically we or she was getting hit with two tax fees , just like was, and so now anyone working in these states or the surrounding area everyone has to amend there past returns, when one state should have been given the credit, have to amend the last three years to get the money back, there Turbotax program wasn't or hasn't been updated.

Good luck


Honk--------------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016

turbinetree

(25,436 posts)
58. I just wish that if your going to sell.....................
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 09:02 AM
Apr 2016

product the least they could do is make sure there programs are up to date.
The IRS and state and whoever else is involved don't like mistakes or they send the letter-------------I had to go back to turbotax last year and have a programmer get into the program to download the file, and I asked him -----------why wasn't this there when I sent this electronically, he didn't have answer ---------------------I then said does your for profit program want to pay the fines and penalty.

And then they have the disclaimer at the last page----------------saying that they will not be held accountable ---------really you wrote the program

Well have fun, like I said, were having an accountant do it this year


Honk-----------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
26. +1 ...
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 01:31 PM
Apr 2016

and penalties and fees ... then, and only then, tried, if there is evidence of unlawful conduct ... there are, literally, 100s of 1,000s of ways to AVOID taxes lawfully; but, the mere presence of the money being off-shored is, at best, circumstantial evidence of wrong doing.

 

brewens

(15,359 posts)
30. Take them right down to their last shit stained pair of underwear! Ensure
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 02:14 PM
Apr 2016

they and their families our totally stripped of any advantage they could possibly have gotten from those illegal activities. It could be some kid didn't do anything wrong really. To freakin' bad! Let them start over with nothing as a good example.

mwooldri

(10,429 posts)
7. I'm up for the death penalty here...
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 11:57 AM
Apr 2016

Of their corporations that is. (Never people btw)

Kill them off, seize their assets.

I think that is a better punishment than throwing away good money depriving them of their physical freedom when their financial freedom seems to be more prized. They'd serve a few years in prison and have access to that money in and after jail.

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
23. these are crimes against humanity because people died. I would grab a pitchfork. I have one.
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 01:14 PM
Apr 2016
 

larkrake

(1,674 posts)
9. the only thing they value is money, so they pay back taxes and fines
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 12:01 PM
Apr 2016

and are encouraged to move to another country, or lose their citizenship. Jail wont help the country, just their lawyers. I'm positive the Clintons are on that list using false names, as are the Bushes. Probably everyone who voted for the Panama legislation is stashing money there. Tax evasion has to be proved tho. Most evaders put accounts in the name of their children or aliases.

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
24. Jail will help the country. Seeing these fuckers behind bars IN SPITE of their money will do wonders
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 01:15 PM
Apr 2016

for me. They will go somewhere else and do the same damned thing. NO MERCY!

Bernardo de La Paz

(51,252 posts)
11. Too big to lock up? How much does Trump have hidden offshore?
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 12:14 PM
Apr 2016

Good luck locking Putin up.

Also, most Americans in that situation will have done everything legally, so no luck there.

Public shaming can have an effect (cf. Iceland PM).

sarge43

(29,169 posts)
12. Nope
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 12:18 PM
Apr 2016

Take every asset they have. Well, maybe leave them with a set of underwear and a pair shoes. Let them go homeless, try to find a minimum wage job. Let them know despair.

Jail is too good for them.

FailureToCommunicate

(14,349 posts)
13. No! They've been living off our tax dollars enough already. Seize their ass-ests and make em do
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 12:24 PM
Apr 2016

community service, and turn em out on the streets to seek the kindness of strangers. Paying for their jail time is more than we should have to bear at this point.

Let em eat cake

KPN

(16,167 posts)
14. And throw away the friggin' key!
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 12:24 PM
Apr 2016

Actually, I almost like one of the previous posts better ... something about time to grab the pitchforks. I have two if anyone wants to borrow one.

 

dembotoz

(16,922 posts)
16. the tax frauds will just move their money to a place that welcomes them
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 12:39 PM
Apr 2016

bet the bucks flowing out of panama even as we speak would make your head spin.

the most fun way would be for one of these small countries to nationalize these shell companies and seize the assets.

make the safe tax haven not safe.

obviously the 1 percenters would finance a coup and those who seized the assets would be terminated....but it would be fun while it lasted

and it would make a great movie script .....wish i could write..

Phlem

(6,323 posts)
17. Never gonna happen on Hillary's watch.
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 12:59 PM
Apr 2016

But hell yes!

They need to live by the same rules the rest of us live with.

Else You Are Mad

(3,040 posts)
20. I would love for all...
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 01:12 PM
Apr 2016

The tax cheats to get as much jail time as permitted under the law, but we all know that won't happen. At best, there will be two low to lower mid-level tax cheats that will be sacrificial lambs to show that the US government took this seriously, while the major players will just move on to the next tax haven and life will go on as normal for them.

mainer

(12,207 posts)
22. The rules should apply to everyone, equally.
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 01:13 PM
Apr 2016

If I cheated on my taxes, I'd be locked up. It should apply to them, too.

redstatebluegirl

(12,503 posts)
29. My poor Dad 5 years before he died.
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 01:41 PM
Apr 2016

Went through a line by line audit on the year of the sale of the family farm. It was horrible, he said he didn't need a lawyer, he was honest. Well, guess what, he had a major heart attack three days after the audit where after putting him thru the wringer and acting like he was a crook, they found out he owed 500 dollars. I have hated the IRS ever since. I pay my taxes, I'm as honest as I can be, but I am sure it will happen to me at some point.

renate

(13,776 posts)
40. that's absolutely horrible
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 07:54 PM
Apr 2016

It's bad enough that he was put through so much stress but made a million times worse by the fact that someone so honest was made to feel like a criminal. I'm so sorry that happened.

 

dpatbrown

(368 posts)
32. Pie in the sky
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 05:46 PM
Apr 2016

Agreeing with most, nothing will come of this. Nothing. In addition to prison time, we should have laws on our books that say, if you weasel out of paying taxes and/or ship jobs to other countries, you lose your citizenship. Now I know that most of you probably will say that they don't care about their citizenship anyway, only money, I believe these people need to be disgraced in many ways.

To think what could be done with all these taxes that were never paid, is immoral. I'm very anxious to see more names come out.

stuffmatters

(2,578 posts)
37. Won't be surprised to find Clinton Foundation donors her & abroad implicated.
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 06:57 PM
Apr 2016

Also those who've paid speaking fees directly into Bill & Hillary's pockets.

Half-Century Man

(5,279 posts)
34. Sentencing guideline
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 06:09 PM
Apr 2016

1 year per 1,000,000 stashed.

Special sale on time; 1,500,000 per year forgiven.

Beowulf42

(236 posts)
38. Follow the Law
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 07:00 PM
Apr 2016

We have laws on the books concerning this kind of activity. If we had a justice department that had any guts it would charges these malefactors and try them and apply the sentences required by law, but remember it was about 5 years ago that we provided prosecutorial amnesty for those who had hidden funds abroad and none of them were punished. And NO, paying the taxes that you owe and should have paid in the first place is not punishment. But we have to remember, these are the rich and in America there is a different set of laws for them. Remember, the rich don't want some of the money, they don't want most of the money, they want all of the money. And if there were real justice in America all of their money would be confiscated from individuals and corporations and put in the national treasury. They owe us and there will be a time for payment. There will be a time for blood.

Pakid

(478 posts)
41. Hell yes
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 08:03 PM
Apr 2016

They need to be locked up and made to pay for the time they are in jail plus have there ill gotten money taken away. Then spend the rest of their lives working for their idea of minimum wage

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
43. I'd suggest a chain gang rebuilding our crumbling infrastructure....
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 08:17 PM
Apr 2016

Ordered around by actual well paid workers financed from the tax cheat's collected taxes.

Punx

(458 posts)
45. I wonder who has done more harm to society.
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 09:03 PM
Apr 2016

A guy doing 20 years in prison for pot possession, or one of these guys?

I think the answer is pretty obvious.

 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
48. They should pay all past and present taxes
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 09:56 PM
Apr 2016

and be audited for the rest of their lives, to make sure that they do not cheat.
Otherwise at least prison for 30 years without a chance of parole.

I'm trying to be realistic here.

Magoo48

(5,536 posts)
52. No,
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 10:42 PM
Apr 2016

I'd prefer to hit them in some meaningful, ongoing fashion, somewhere it will really hurt, in their greed encrusted wallets.

 

Akamai

(1,779 posts)
55. I try not to swear, but in answer to your question--fuck yes!!!
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 12:44 AM
Apr 2016

People greedy to add additional money to their accounts who already have over several million dollars and who are willing to stick to people who are drowning, whose families are dying -- screw these bastids!

As Biden says, "Don't tell me what you believe -- show me your budget plan and I'll tell you what you believe."

Go Bernie!!!

LittleGirl

(8,499 posts)
57. what really pisses me off
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 08:52 AM
Apr 2016

is trying to maintain a bank account here in Europe. My god, we have a barely middle class income and you would think we're crooks because of what the IRS demands from the banks here (because we're Americans). Pisses me off because they froze our account for 3 freaking weeks before they would release our cash so we could buy some damn groceries. All because these tax cheats off-shore their money and we the little people have to pay the price for their hoarding abroad. ugh. Makes me so mad to think of 32 trillion offshore.

Javaman

(63,196 posts)
59. but but but the corporate run prisons would be without their corporate betters to run them! nt
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 09:05 AM
Apr 2016
 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
60. This won't make me popular here, but I think it depends.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 09:16 AM
Apr 2016

If everyone pays back taxes, penalties, and any statutory punitive damages (if there are any), and - in cases which are slamdunks - plead guilty to either a misdemeanor, and in the worst cases, felony (plus jail time), that's how I think this should unfold.

But also, deal with the entities which facilitate this global tax evasion, as the US did with Swiss banks (ending, as many may recall, the infamous numbered Swiss bank accounts insofar as it involved American citizens).

It's a multifaceted problem needing really major reforms.

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
61. Back taxes (as well as can be established)
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 09:50 AM
Apr 2016

fines, forfeiture of all but the most basic assests (clothes, etc) abscond with the stuffs of spouse and family that are anything but the very basic (clothes and personal hygiene items) things. Then, give them an all expenses paid vacation to a government-run "getaway" for an appropriate number of years.

Democrats_win

(6,539 posts)
62. Offshoring is a crime against humanity.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 10:43 AM
Apr 2016

Instead of hording their money--money taken out of an economy--the wealthy could spread it around, like manure, encouraging young things to grow. By offshoring the money, the money is doing absolutely no good. You know like the GOP congress.

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