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Please rec if you think the Americans who evaded taxes illegally by using Mossack Fonseca should be locked up.
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I work my ass off, sometimes 7 days a week running a business, and paying an insane amount of taxes.
Those folks exposed?
They don't pay squat, because they are "allowed" to cheat, and their biggest worry is trying to find a landing port for their yacht.
ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)fleur-de-lisa
(14,674 posts)roguevalley
(40,656 posts)tax lady is in an old folks home. I cannot begin to tell you the labor I put in all year to have to fuck over my taxes like this. I want them all in prison forever. PUT THEM IN FRONT OF A FIRING SQUAD FOR LIFE! NO EXCEPTIONS! If OBAMA is on the list, PRISON! FOREVER! What kind of psychopathy do you have to possess to have to accumulate that kind of wealth, then hide it? THIRTY TWO TRILLION DOLLARS!!! How many dead children does that represent? What kind of world could THIS HAVE BEEN IF THESE FUCKERS WERE HUMAN BEINGS FIRST!? NO MERCY! NONE FOR ANY OF THEM!
Now, if you'll excuse me ... I have to finish (*&^% turbotax my taxes.
turbinetree
(25,436 posts)every time I used them the state would not get all of the forms like the critical one 502c--------------------went to a tax person this year.
ran the program just for the simple fact to see what would happen and the 502c form was missing again, two years in a row...................again
Turbo tax is not that good there was a lawsuit filed two years ago with the taxes being taken out by a business and he had paid twice into the states system, and because my wife works in another state, MD and DE , basically we or she was getting hit with two tax fees , just like was, and so now anyone working in these states or the surrounding area everyone has to amend there past returns, when one state should have been given the credit, have to amend the last three years to get the money back, there Turbotax program wasn't or hasn't been updated.
Good luck
Honk--------------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)turbinetree
(25,436 posts)product the least they could do is make sure there programs are up to date.
The IRS and state and whoever else is involved don't like mistakes or they send the letter-------------I had to go back to turbotax last year and have a programmer get into the program to download the file, and I asked him -----------why wasn't this there when I sent this electronically, he didn't have answer ---------------------I then said does your for profit program want to pay the fines and penalty.
And then they have the disclaimer at the last page----------------saying that they will not be held accountable ---------really you wrote the program
Well have fun, like I said, were having an accountant do it this year
Honk-----------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016
NV Whino
(20,886 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)and penalties and fees ... then, and only then, tried, if there is evidence of unlawful conduct ... there are, literally, 100s of 1,000s of ways to AVOID taxes lawfully; but, the mere presence of the money being off-shored is, at best, circumstantial evidence of wrong doing.
brewens
(15,359 posts)they and their families our totally stripped of any advantage they could possibly have gotten from those illegal activities. It could be some kid didn't do anything wrong really. To freakin' bad! Let them start over with nothing as a good example.
rurallib
(63,291 posts)that allow such cheating
tk2kewl
(18,133 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)JoeyT
(6,785 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)mwooldri
(10,429 posts)Of their corporations that is. (Never people btw)
Kill them off, seize their assets.
I think that is a better punishment than throwing away good money depriving them of their physical freedom when their financial freedom seems to be more prized. They'd serve a few years in prison and have access to that money in and after jail.
Roland99
(53,345 posts)roguevalley
(40,656 posts)larkrake
(1,674 posts)and are encouraged to move to another country, or lose their citizenship. Jail wont help the country, just their lawyers. I'm positive the Clintons are on that list using false names, as are the Bushes. Probably everyone who voted for the Panama legislation is stashing money there. Tax evasion has to be proved tho. Most evaders put accounts in the name of their children or aliases.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)for me. They will go somewhere else and do the same damned thing. NO MERCY!
daleanime
(17,796 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(51,252 posts)Good luck locking Putin up.
Also, most Americans in that situation will have done everything legally, so no luck there.
Public shaming can have an effect (cf. Iceland PM).
sarge43
(29,169 posts)Take every asset they have. Well, maybe leave them with a set of underwear and a pair shoes. Let them go homeless, try to find a minimum wage job. Let them know despair.
Jail is too good for them.
FailureToCommunicate
(14,349 posts)community service, and turn em out on the streets to seek the kindness of strangers. Paying for their jail time is more than we should have to bear at this point.
Let em eat cake
KPN
(16,167 posts)Actually, I almost like one of the previous posts better ... something about time to grab the pitchforks. I have two if anyone wants to borrow one.
abelenkpe
(9,933 posts)dembotoz
(16,922 posts)bet the bucks flowing out of panama even as we speak would make your head spin.
the most fun way would be for one of these small countries to nationalize these shell companies and seize the assets.
make the safe tax haven not safe.
obviously the 1 percenters would finance a coup and those who seized the assets would be terminated....but it would be fun while it lasted
and it would make a great movie script .....wish i could write..
Phlem
(6,323 posts)But hell yes!
They need to live by the same rules the rest of us live with.
floriduck
(2,262 posts)Jack Rabbit
(45,984 posts)Else You Are Mad
(3,040 posts)The tax cheats to get as much jail time as permitted under the law, but we all know that won't happen. At best, there will be two low to lower mid-level tax cheats that will be sacrificial lambs to show that the US government took this seriously, while the major players will just move on to the next tax haven and life will go on as normal for them.
mainer
(12,207 posts)If I cheated on my taxes, I'd be locked up. It should apply to them, too.
jalan48
(14,515 posts)DrBulldog
(841 posts)redstatebluegirl
(12,503 posts)Went through a line by line audit on the year of the sale of the family farm. It was horrible, he said he didn't need a lawyer, he was honest. Well, guess what, he had a major heart attack three days after the audit where after putting him thru the wringer and acting like he was a crook, they found out he owed 500 dollars. I have hated the IRS ever since. I pay my taxes, I'm as honest as I can be, but I am sure it will happen to me at some point.
renate
(13,776 posts)It's bad enough that he was put through so much stress but made a million times worse by the fact that someone so honest was made to feel like a criminal. I'm so sorry that happened.
glinda
(14,807 posts)allan01
(1,950 posts)and if they run away to hide , then they become felons .
dpatbrown
(368 posts)Agreeing with most, nothing will come of this. Nothing. In addition to prison time, we should have laws on our books that say, if you weasel out of paying taxes and/or ship jobs to other countries, you lose your citizenship. Now I know that most of you probably will say that they don't care about their citizenship anyway, only money, I believe these people need to be disgraced in many ways.
To think what could be done with all these taxes that were never paid, is immoral. I'm very anxious to see more names come out.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)yes please!
stuffmatters
(2,578 posts)Also those who've paid speaking fees directly into Bill & Hillary's pockets.
Half-Century Man
(5,279 posts)1 year per 1,000,000 stashed.
Special sale on time; 1,500,000 per year forgiven.
glinda
(14,807 posts)fierywoman
(8,131 posts)I think they should be exiled to Gitmo.
Beowulf42
(236 posts)We have laws on the books concerning this kind of activity. If we had a justice department that had any guts it would charges these malefactors and try them and apply the sentences required by law, but remember it was about 5 years ago that we provided prosecutorial amnesty for those who had hidden funds abroad and none of them were punished. And NO, paying the taxes that you owe and should have paid in the first place is not punishment. But we have to remember, these are the rich and in America there is a different set of laws for them. Remember, the rich don't want some of the money, they don't want most of the money, they want all of the money. And if there were real justice in America all of their money would be confiscated from individuals and corporations and put in the national treasury. They owe us and there will be a time for payment. There will be a time for blood.
HawkMode
(25 posts)Wesley Snipes got put away for not paying Uncle Sam.
Pakid
(478 posts)They need to be locked up and made to pay for the time they are in jail plus have there ill gotten money taken away. Then spend the rest of their lives working for their idea of minimum wage
Fiendish Thingy
(18,801 posts)Then elect a govt. That will enforce them.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Ordered around by actual well paid workers financed from the tax cheat's collected taxes.
Punx
(458 posts)A guy doing 20 years in prison for pot possession, or one of these guys?
I think the answer is pretty obvious.
Thespian2
(2,741 posts)RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)and be audited for the rest of their lives, to make sure that they do not cheat.
Otherwise at least prison for 30 years without a chance of parole.
I'm trying to be realistic here.
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)I'd prefer to hit them in some meaningful, ongoing fashion, somewhere it will really hurt, in their greed encrusted wallets.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)Akamai
(1,779 posts)People greedy to add additional money to their accounts who already have over several million dollars and who are willing to stick to people who are drowning, whose families are dying -- screw these bastids!
As Biden says, "Don't tell me what you believe -- show me your budget plan and I'll tell you what you believe."
Go Bernie!!!
pansypoo53219
(21,789 posts)LittleGirl
(8,499 posts)is trying to maintain a bank account here in Europe. My god, we have a barely middle class income and you would think we're crooks because of what the IRS demands from the banks here (because we're Americans). Pisses me off because they froze our account for 3 freaking weeks before they would release our cash so we could buy some damn groceries. All because these tax cheats off-shore their money and we the little people have to pay the price for their hoarding abroad. ugh. Makes me so mad to think of 32 trillion offshore.
Javaman
(63,196 posts)closeupready
(29,503 posts)If everyone pays back taxes, penalties, and any statutory punitive damages (if there are any), and - in cases which are slamdunks - plead guilty to either a misdemeanor, and in the worst cases, felony (plus jail time), that's how I think this should unfold.
But also, deal with the entities which facilitate this global tax evasion, as the US did with Swiss banks (ending, as many may recall, the infamous numbered Swiss bank accounts insofar as it involved American citizens).
It's a multifaceted problem needing really major reforms.
Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)fines, forfeiture of all but the most basic assests (clothes, etc) abscond with the stuffs of spouse and family that are anything but the very basic (clothes and personal hygiene items) things. Then, give them an all expenses paid vacation to a government-run "getaway" for an appropriate number of years.
Democrats_win
(6,539 posts)Instead of hording their money--money taken out of an economy--the wealthy could spread it around, like manure, encouraging young things to grow. By offshoring the money, the money is doing absolutely no good. You know like the GOP congress.