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mahatmakanejeeves

(61,606 posts)
Tue Dec 10, 2024, 11:41 AM Dec 10

Congratulations, people living at 40 degrees north latitude. You are now having the earliest sunsets of the year.

Last edited Tue Dec 10, 2024, 01:12 PM - Edit history (3)

See our story on the winter solstice from {2019}: https://wapo.st/2JWoZFg via
@justingrieser


Here's the relevant snippet:

Hey
@capitalweather
Can you please remind us #LaymansTermsGang folks why the earliest sunset of the year is over the next few days and NOT on Winter Solstice 12/21? Thanks!
@PoPville



Earliest sunset comes before winter solstice

Posted by Bruce McClure and EarthSky Voices | December 3, 2022



View larger. | The shortest day is at the solstice. But the earliest sunset comes before the solstice, in early to mid-December for latitudes like those in the U.S. Likewise, the latest sunrises come in early January. This map shows the number of days between earliest sunset and latest sunrise, and the dates of the earliest sunsets and latest sunrises themselves, for various latitudes. The dates hold true around the globe. Map via Brian Brettschneider (@Climatologist49 on Twitter, or via Brian B.’s Climate Blog). Used with permission.

Earliest sunset isn’t on the shortest day

For the southernmost U.S. and similar latitudes – around 30 degrees north latitude – the earliest sunsets of the year are happening around now, because they come in late November and early December. For latitudes farther north – around 40 degrees north latitude – the year’s earliest sunsets will happen in the coming week, the week of December 5, 2022. For instance, that would be the latitude of New York City; Philadelphia, Pennsylvania; Kansas City, Missouri; Denver, Colorado; Reno, Nevada; Beijing, China; Madrid, Spain; and Naples, Italy.

Meanwhile, what about the Southern Hemisphere? At this same time, for 40 degrees south latitude, the year’s earliest sunrises happen this week, as you progress toward your longest day at the December solstice.

Then, closer to the Arctic and Antarctic Circles, the earliest sunset and earliest sunrise happen nearer the solstice.

Want to know the date of your earliest sunset (or sunrise)? Sunrise-sunset.org provides the sunrise/sunset times to the second, for locations around the globe.

{snip}

From 2018: I'm checking for New York City. The sunset has stalled at 4:28 p.m. for every day from December 3 until December 12.

December 2018 — Sun in New York

It is worth looking at this thread from 2018, in which there was a discussion of the differences in sunsets according to latitudes:

Mon Dec 3, 2018: I'm watching Pres Bush's casket arrive at capitol.

It's almost pitch dark here in Boston, and the sky above the capitol is light. How can that be?

tia
las

Things vary, depending on where you live.

The earliest sunset in Washington, DC, occurs on or around December 7 or 8 in 2015. DC's sunset is stalled at 4:46 for over a week. New York City has the same sunset time, 4:28 p.m., for three days.

http://www.timeanddate.com/sun/usa/new-york?month=12

http://www.timeanddate.com/sun/usa/washington-dc

If you live in the northern hemisphere, the sunsets will be occurring later each day from now until June. The day on which the earliest sunset occurs is not the day with the least amount of sunlight. It is also not the day on which the latest sunrise occurs.

But, but.... What's the reason?

Earliest sunset at 40 degrees N. latitude on December 7

The exact date for the earliest sunset or earliest sunrise varies by latitude. Toward the end of the first week of December, mid-temperate latitudes in the Northern Hemisphere have their earliest sunsets. The earliest sunset for 40 degrees N. latitude is on December 7. That would be the latitude of New York City (shown in Jerry Ferguson‘s photo, top of post); Philadelphia, Pennsylvania ; Kansas City, Missouri; Reno, Nevada; Beijing, China; Madrid, Spain; Naples, Italy. Meanwhile, the Southern Hemisphere’s mid-temperate latitudes are waking up to their earliest sunrises.

{snip}

It seems paradoxical. At middle latitudes in the U.S. – and throughout the Northern Hemisphere – the earliest sunsets of the year come about two weeks before the solstice and the shortest day of the year.

Why isn't the earliest sunset on the year’s shortest day? It's because of the discrepancy between the clock and the sun. A clock ticks off exactly 24 hours from one noon to the next. But an actual day - as measured by the spin of the Earth, from what is called one “solar noon” to the next - rarely equals 24 hours exactly.

Solar noon is also called simply midday. It refers to that instant when the sun reaches its highest point for the day. In the month of December, the time period from one solar noon to the next is actually half a minute longer than 24 hours. On December 7, the sun reaches its noontime position at 11:52 a.m. local standard time. Two weeks later - on the winter solstice - the sun will reach its noontime position around 11:59 a.m. That's 7 minutes later than on December 7. ... The later clock time for solar noon also means a later clock time for sunrise and sunset.

Sunrise and Sunset, Washington, DC

You can check for any month you want.

Bonus link: Why doesn't the earliest sunset occur on the shortest day of the year?

Bonus bonus link: Equation of time

Wed Dec 4, 2024: Congratulations, Duers in Houston and New Orleans and at Tyndall AFB. You have just had the earliest sunset of the year.

Wed Nov 27, 2024: Congratulations, people in Havana. You are now experiencing the earliest sunsets of the year.

Sun Nov 17, 2024: Congratulations, people in Managua, Nicaragua. You are now experiencing the earliest sunsets of the year.

Fri Nov 8, 2024: Congratulations, people in Bogota, Colombia. You are now experiencing the earliest sunsets of the year.

Thu Dec 7, 2023: Congratulations, DUers living along 40 degrees north latitude. You are now having the earliest sunsets of the year.

Sun Dec 3, 2023: Congratulations, DUers in Houston and New Orleans and at Tyndall AFB. You have just had the earliest sunset of the year.

Fri Nov 17, 2023: Congratulations, DUers in Managua, Nicaragua. You are now experiencing the earliest sunsets of the year.

Sat Dec 3, 2022: Congratulations, DUers in Houston and New Orleans. You've just had the earliest sunset of the year.

Fri Feb 18, 2022: According to my 1998 Bob Ryan Weather Almanac, sunset today is at

Tue Jan 11, 2022: Sunset in DC on January 11: 5:07 p.m.

Tue Dec 7, 2021: Happy earliest sunset of the year: December 7

Sat Dec 4, 2021: Sunset Friday was almost our earliest; turnaround to come soon

Mon Dec 7, 2020: Happy earliest sunset of the year: December 7

Fri Dec 6, 2019: Happy earliest sunset of the year: December 7

Mon Mar 18, 2019: How to know Washington's sunset time this spring without ever looking it up

Fri Dec 7, 2018: Happy earliest sunset of the year: December 7

Thu Dec 8, 2016: Northern hemisphere dwellers: we have just had the earliest sunset of the year, on December 7.

Mon Dec 7, 2015: Happy earliest sunset of the year: December 7

Mon Dec 8, 2014: We have just had the earliest sunset of the year, on December 7.

Mon Dec 8, 2014: We have just had the earliest sunset of the year, on December 7.
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Congratulations, people living at 40 degrees north latitude. You are now having the earliest sunsets of the year. (Original Post) mahatmakanejeeves Dec 10 OP
Tell me about it. First walk of day is always pre-dawn, but trying to get a late walk in before hlthe2b Dec 10 #1
A thread crammed with knowledge and links, but cut to the chase, is it because of climate change? brush Dec 10 #2
No. NT mahatmakanejeeves Dec 10 #3
Really? You think climate change has nothing to do with it? brush Dec 10 #4
Really. NT mahatmakanejeeves Dec 10 #5
A person of few words one actually, after that extra long post. Well ok. brush Dec 10 #6

hlthe2b

(106,752 posts)
1. Tell me about it. First walk of day is always pre-dawn, but trying to get a late walk in before
Tue Dec 10, 2024, 11:48 AM
Dec 10

sundown (4:33PM currently) is impossible. So, I feed the furry gal, eat my own dinner by 5 PM, and guess what, bedtime! LOL

I don't know which of us has the most "refined" biorhythms but we are in sync.

brush

(58,018 posts)
2. A thread crammed with knowledge and links, but cut to the chase, is it because of climate change?
Tue Dec 10, 2024, 11:57 AM
Dec 10
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