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Personal note: I still see people who say that Oct 7 didn't happen or didn't happen as reported first-hand by victims. Some will say that it was a false flag. Others will say that Israel did all the slaughtering. Others just say, Netanyahu. I'd like to blame stupidity for this, but it's not just that. It is a pernicious desire to push the antisemetic agenda and obfuscate the truth in whatever way possible. And it is abhorrent.
At least until recently, Holocaust deniers have been shunned from polite Western society. The same cannot be said for those who downplay, equivocate, or outright deny Hamas’s slaughter of Israelis on October 7, although those massacres were better documented than any others in human history. Such voices have only grown in volume and number since.
To combat such pernicious lies, the All-Party UK-Israel Parliamentary Group, led by the eminent British historian Andrew Roberts, recently issued a comprehensive report of what happened on that terrible day. It documents, in painful detail, the massacres at each and every site in southern Israel, and identifies each of the victims.
The full 32-page report is here, and yes, it is horrific and detailed, so a warning for those who may be traumatized by the truth:
https://static1.squarespace.com/static/67bf0490d422da027d74c55c/t/67d80d04b3bde77ec3ac2b66/1742212374048/The+7+October+Parliamentary+Commission+Report+-+The+Roberts+Report+-+APPG+UK-Israel.pdf

JohnSJ
(98,281 posts)It is such bullshit. How dare that jackass try to diminish what happened on October 7.
The Guardian has the headline, "Israel to ‘seize more ground’ and warns Hamas it will annex parts of Gaza"
Conveniently leaving out in the headline: " unless Hamas released the remaining Israeli hostages still held".
with every adjective or adverb putting negative emphasis on actions of Israel, while ignoring the simple fact that if Hamas had released the hostages a year and a half ago, none of this would be happening. In fact if Hamas had NOT done the Oct 7 slaughter, think how many lives would still be alive today.
It isn't convenient to talk about the catalyst that started all this.
Beastly Boy
(11,884 posts)of Israel bashing (that would include a whole alphabet of Western media outlets and the United nations, among many others) is as despicable as it is, to borrow a phrase, pellucidly clear.
Richard D
(9,648 posts)It's such a difficult conversation to have. It's been gut punch after gut punch to see the people I once admired become pro-Hamas, at least through their anti-Israel screeds. Is it such a hard thing to understand that anti-Zionism is anti-Semitism? Seems so. And I've even seen cartoons of Netanyahu with horns, which harkens back to yet another antisemetic trope out of the past.
I'm really not feeling free to share my deeper thoughts and feelings about this here, cause, well, you know why.