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Mosby

(17,634 posts)
Mon Dec 23, 2024, 11:32 AM Yesterday

A Hanukkah for 'Oct. 8 Jews'

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The Maccabees’ victory makes Hanukkah less about the battle against hostile outsiders and more about an internal conflict between Jewish tradition and “enlightenment.” Hanukkah represents a reckoning between the allure of assimilated universalism and the fight to preserve Jewish particularism.

This dilemma is raging today. Modern ideals — manifested in matters such as secularism, cosmopolitanism and transnational human rights — are often seen in the United States as the pinnacle of moral progress. For much of the past century, these ideals were embraced by American Jews, many of whom were eager to secularize. One small but timely, telling example: Many of the most popular Christmas songs — “White Christmas,” “Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer,” “Silver Bells” — were written by Jews (Irving Berlin; Johnny Marks; Ray Evans and Jay Livingston).

This assimilation, this desire to disappear into America’s melting pot, did not work. Jews learned that lesson beginning on Oct. 8 last year. On the day after the worst attack against Jews since the Holocaust — and long before the Israel Defense Forces began their response in Gaza — some protesters, in U.S. cities and elsewhere, began rallying in the streets not for Israel, and not just for Palestinians, but specifically for the terrorists who had slaughtered and abducted Jewish civilians.

For many American Jews, Oct. 8 — rather than Oct. 7 — was the wake-up call. The day after Hamas’s devastating attack, Jews looked around expecting support and, instead, found themselves more alone than they could have imagined. Many alliances, nurtured through decades of civil rights activism, philanthropy to non-Jewish causes (not least universities) and coalition-building, turned out to be a mirage. Statements from many supposed friends were equivocal at best. For Jews who had placed their faith in assimilation or allyship as a shield against antisemitism, the disillusionment was profound.

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A Hanukkah for 'Oct. 8 Jews' (Original Post) Mosby Yesterday OP
Evil: From Sept. 5 to Oct. 7 - WSJ letter question everything Yesterday #1
Do yourself a favor and don't read the comments Danmel Yesterday #2
OK. I never do question everything Yesterday #3
I cannot forget . . . Richard D Yesterday #4
Many have been shocked to find they are not Jewish Americans or American Jews but.... Behind the Aegis Yesterday #5
Which brings up a horrifying (to me) topic . . . Richard D Yesterday #6

question everything

(49,074 posts)
1. Evil: From Sept. 5 to Oct. 7 - WSJ letter
Mon Dec 23, 2024, 11:52 AM
Yesterday

I remember where I was, and what I saw, when news came of the Munich massacre.

The drama regarding ABC Sports during the 1972 Munich Olympics brings back stark memories of where I was when Jim McKay told the world, “They’re all gone” (“September 5’: Tragedy Gets Televised” by Kyle Smith, Film Review, Dec. 13). As it happened, I was in a college pub.

While the tragic news of the murder of Israeli athletes by Palestinian terrorists sunk into our gestalt, several foreign students at the table next to us stood and applauded. For the only time in my life, I thought about throwing a punch or two. But the sickening feeling in my gut pre-empted such bold action. Instead, I was left to wonder how any sane person could applaud such a dastardly deed.

Then, Oct. 7 happened. Fifty years on, I still lacked any comprehension of the evil in our world.

Jon Fox

Linwood, N.J.



Richard D

(9,434 posts)
4. I cannot forget . . .
Mon Dec 23, 2024, 02:45 PM
Yesterday

. . . how organized anti-Jewish protests started even before the bodies of the slain were cold. Oh, sorry, anti-zionist. Gotta be PC here.

Within a couple of days, I lost at least half or more of my friends and business associates.

I'm definitely an Oct 8 Jew. I had no desire to let my Jew-flag fly before then. Now, I am reading the Torah Parshas and taking a course in Kaballah. A tiny blessing.

Behind the Aegis

(54,926 posts)
5. Many have been shocked to find they are not Jewish Americans or American Jews but....
Mon Dec 23, 2024, 02:53 PM
Yesterday

....Jews who live in America. This was seen worldwide, along with the continued gaslighting and demands on Jews to NOT speak out against anti-Semitism and to always have an opinion on Israel, and it BETTER be the RIGHT one, as prescribed by the prevailing non-Jewish minds.

Richard D

(9,434 posts)
6. Which brings up a horrifying (to me) topic . . .
Mon Dec 23, 2024, 03:36 PM
Yesterday

. . . that may not be able to be discussed here. If not, please remove this.

How do we Jews who live in America deal with the antisemitism, er, anti-zionism of much of the liberal Left? I am seeing far more solidarity with Israel on the conservative Right, even spilling into the Christian Evangelists.

Such odd times to be us.

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