I think it's better I ask here than in say, the gun forum...

because they're both guns? The name of this group is fairly clear.

Christian Liberals and Progressive People of Faith have to defend their theology against Fundies and Evangelicals on a regular basis. Atheists like myself do not (part of that whole "hellbound heathen" thing I guess)

So...maybe, just maybe, when doing that you might ask a fundie this question...or whether Catholics from before the Reformation are hellbound....

Honestly, you think fundies engage me in debate on a regular basis?!

You guys have a slight chance of being converted to their soulless existence

Seriously, You and I, and all of our thoughts, have to live on this planet together.

I'm game for a truce if you are...

Let's be comrades...

They also justify that the world in only five thousand or so years old. Mostly I notice they shut you out and I swear you can see it in their faces. My fundie sil would tell you that NO catholic will get to heaven because they worship Mary and have a priest forgive their sins. They seem to reject it in principle, body heart and soul and I don't know why.

They spout slogans...

"Hate the sin not the sinner"

"God loves you!"

"Jesus died for your SINS"

"You need to be WASHED in the blood of the LAMB!"

"I'll pray for you"


and so on and so on, ad nauseum

I don't like getting headaches. Like I have said I think my sil prays for me because I am disabled and she thinks I am on a fast track to hell. We can't talk religion anymore since I got very frustrated a couple of years ago and told her she was wrong. It was out of line for me to do that.

question that started this thread?

"God loves you and so do we!"

"Jesus died for your SINS and you too can be saved!"

"You need to be WASHED in the blood of the LAMB!"

"We'll pray for you!"


"Let me know when I get to ad nauseam...I'll just be warming up at that point!"

Thank you for joining us and giving us an opportunity to share and work on all of our slogans. Let us know which ones work.

....they are praying for me; I mean when they say it, out of context, - not for some specific reason, like illness, or other difficulty. And I believe in God and prayer, but for some reason it just puts me off. Do others react that way?

I thank them. It's not my place to judge their motive nor sincerity.

You are loved...by Fundies. Which is better than being loved by undies. May God bless Taverner with a great day today.

Amen

Most fundamentalist sermons are from the Old Testament, using texts that are out of context bloody and crude. What you write is a description of something I have called, "a cultivated sense of historic discontinuity."

Most fundies I know think Church history runs from the establishment of the early Church through the Roman persecution (lots of great descriptions of bravery in the face of lions in the Coliseum!) and the conversion of Constantine (great, because it made Christianity the official religion -- bad because it let to...gasp!...Catholicism!), then make a quick stop for Augustine, because a) his story of conversion seems right out of their style of "being turned from a life of sin to follow Jesus" rather than the more mainstream notion of growing up in the faith from the start, and b) because his meditations on his conversion led to the (anti-Christian, IMHO) notion of predestination so beloved of Calvin.

Then, from Augustine, it's pretty much a straight shot direct to Luther, although those who have read Halley's Bible Handbook can also produce lots of lurid, tabloid-style anecdotes of the evils of the Popes, as preparation to God "restoring his Church" via the reformers.

A good 1000 years completely left out...

fundamentalist/evangelicals have come along much later in the history of Christianity. In fact, your modern day charismatics date only to the past hundred years or so.

There has always been Conservatism in the church, but the imminent "Christ is coming - look busy" "Left Behind" "Late Great Planet Earth" Rapture stuff really took hold as a reaction to the A-Bomb and the Cold War. With death on a scale unimaginable all of a sudden very real, the hallucinations in Revelation don't seem so surreal anymore I guess.

Christian heritage back to about the mid 1800s. there is a multi-generational meme among these people - that drinking any alchohol is a sin - yet this was not part of Christian debate until the mid 19th century, coinciding with the temperance movement in this country. same with most of the end-times stuff.