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TexasTowelie

(117,551 posts)
Sun Apr 12, 2020, 12:04 PM Apr 2020

State and city vs. churches: Don't drink the 'religious freedom' Kool-Aid -- it's deadly

Last edited Sun Apr 12, 2020, 01:22 PM - Edit history (1)

Imagine that you awake one morning, get online and click on your favorite news site. You are greeted by this grisly headline: “Police Seek Death Cult Leaders After Ritual Human Sacrifice.” You read on to discover that these cultists have been rounding up victims to offer up as sacrifices to their God, killing them in indescribable ceremonies (drinking not just proverbial Kool-Aid, but the literal kind) and leaving their corpses on open-air altars. A couple of days later, you are relieved to see that the leaders of the sect have been arrested and charged with murder, only to discover that they are claiming that the Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment protects their actions, because the government may not interfere with or punish religious conduct.

Your reaction, I hope, would be that their religious freedom claim is preposterous. One person or group’s freedom of religion does not permit them to do harm to others, or to be exempt from the application of the societal ban on murder. You would expect that the courts would promptly reject the claim and try the murderers for their crimes.

And yet, this is precisely the claim that too many religious leaders have been making in recent days — that their right to free exercise gives them the right to kill their fellow citizens. Not, of course, in a human sacrifice straight out of a horror movie. But by holding services during a pandemic, despite knowing to a point of absolute certainty that people will die as a result. We must treat their argument exactly the same way we would react to the cult: with a firm, “Hell no,” and criminal sanctions.

Mass gatherings (religious and otherwise) spread COVID-19. There is massive evidence of this fact and no proof to the contrary. The dozens of cases and numerous deaths that resulted from a single church revival meeting in Dawson Springs, Kentucky. in mid-March is sobering, ample proof of what results when churches insist on conducting business as usual. And it is not just members of the church or those who voluntarily choose to attend who are put at risk. It is everyone they then come in contact with — and it is those people whose lives these church leaders are insisting must be sacrificed on the altar of their religious freedom.

Read more: https://www.leoweekly.com/2020/04/state-city-vs-churches-dont-drink-religious-freedom-kool-aid-deadly/
(Louisville Eccentric Observer)

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State and city vs. churches: Don't drink the 'religious freedom' Kool-Aid -- it's deadly (Original Post) TexasTowelie Apr 2020 OP
Fundies customerserviceguy Apr 2020 #1
We could I guess Kaiserguy Apr 2020 #6
K and R Ferrets are Cool Apr 2020 #2
Your right to swing your fist bluescribbler Apr 2020 #3
Exactly where literalism and legal gymnastics gets us. n/t MarcA Apr 2020 #4
I've been listen to my emergency services monitor and have noticed a big spike in covid yaesu Apr 2020 #5
Exercising the practice of religion is not imposing your personal beliefs on others dlk Apr 2020 #7
See Evangelizing DanieRains Apr 2020 #10
Yes dlk Apr 2020 #19
LEO is the Louisville Eccentric Observer Roland99 Apr 2020 #8
Ah, thank you. TexasTowelie Apr 2020 #11
No worries. It was founded by current Rep John Yarmuth Roland99 Apr 2020 #12
I know that it is the alternative media, TexasTowelie Apr 2020 #14
Ha. Roland99 Apr 2020 #17
The religious liberty arguments are preposterous. TomSlick Apr 2020 #9
Dang it! Stop making sense! Quit it with the sound logic!! paleotn Apr 2020 #16
Sorry, occupational hazard. TomSlick Apr 2020 #18
I honestly don't see mass gatherings for Jebuz happening. LiberalLovinLug Apr 2020 #13
Matthew 4:7 paleotn Apr 2020 #15
Of course they don't. For them it's all wnylib Apr 2020 #21
It's OK. They are the ones insisting this is a "Christian Nation" when it ain't. rickyhall Apr 2020 #20
No excuse for this self-centered wnylib Apr 2020 #22
How can any court allow a group to claim the right to endanger the general population? uriel1972 Apr 2020 #23

customerserviceguy

(25,188 posts)
1. Fundies
Sun Apr 12, 2020, 12:08 PM
Apr 2020

are always looking for ways to identify themselves with Christians from 1800 years ago, who were persecuted by Roman emperors.

Kaiserguy

(740 posts)
6. We could I guess
Sun Apr 12, 2020, 12:52 PM
Apr 2020

bring back the games from the Roman days and send them to the Coliseum if they wish to see first hand what real persecution was all about. For them to compare being tossed to the lions with having to act like a responabile adult and miss a few Sundays is an insult to the one who did in fact get tossed to the lions.

yaesu

(8,359 posts)
5. I've been listen to my emergency services monitor and have noticed a big spike in covid
Sun Apr 12, 2020, 12:50 PM
Apr 2020

calls this weekend, some pulling over in their cars because they are too weak to make the hospital trip. In rural areas like mine people think they can escape it but they will soon find out different. Also am noticing frustration of patrol officers & dispatch with all the suspicious person calls with the new orders in place. People need to chill, not tie up law enforcement with trivial shit, they are acting like its the zombie apocalypse.

dlk

(12,468 posts)
7. Exercising the practice of religion is not imposing your personal beliefs on others
Sun Apr 12, 2020, 12:53 PM
Apr 2020

That is something else entirely and lest we forget, our country was founded upon an escape from just that.

Roland99

(53,345 posts)
8. LEO is the Louisville Eccentric Observer
Sun Apr 12, 2020, 12:57 PM
Apr 2020

Not Lexington

I miss grabbing a copy at lunch when I worked in downtown Louisville

TexasTowelie

(117,551 posts)
11. Ah, thank you.
Sun Apr 12, 2020, 01:21 PM
Apr 2020

I don't believe I've ever seen the full title before even though I've had the site on my database for a couple of years. I'll make the correction in the OP.

TexasTowelie

(117,551 posts)
14. I know that it is the alternative media,
Sun Apr 12, 2020, 01:30 PM
Apr 2020

I just didn't want anyone to get confused and alerting for using RW talking points because they thought I was posting from "Law Enforcement Officers Weekly."

Roland99

(53,345 posts)
17. Ha.
Sun Apr 12, 2020, 01:39 PM
Apr 2020

Thanks for the link tho

I’ll have to start reading it online regular. Had forgotten about them

Left KY 11 yrs ago

TomSlick

(11,973 posts)
9. The religious liberty arguments are preposterous.
Sun Apr 12, 2020, 01:01 PM
Apr 2020

The social distancing rules do not specifically target religion.

Under a strict scrutiny analysis - the highest standard - the rules are necessary for an important government requirement. The rules are as narrowly tailored as possible to achieve the purpose.

Religious liberty is a fundamental right. However, it is not absolute, just as no right can be absolute. It is difficult to imagine that a court would find the emergency social distancing rules to be a violation of the First Amendment.

TomSlick

(11,973 posts)
18. Sorry, occupational hazard.
Sun Apr 12, 2020, 01:43 PM
Apr 2020

The religious liberty arguments being pressed are political, not legal.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,383 posts)
13. I honestly don't see mass gatherings for Jebuz happening.
Sun Apr 12, 2020, 01:29 PM
Apr 2020

Mostly because the TrumpChristoFascists are whiny, frightened snowflakes. They talk a good game, but most are paranoid survivalists who will not be hedging their bets and taking their pastor's word for it.

paleotn

(19,532 posts)
15. Matthew 4:7
Sun Apr 12, 2020, 01:37 PM
Apr 2020
Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.

Deuteronomy 6:16 Ye shall not tempt the LORD your God, as ye tempted him in Massah.

They don't even know what their own scriptures say....and really don't care.

wnylib

(24,775 posts)
21. Of course they don't. For them it's all
Sun Apr 12, 2020, 02:12 PM
Apr 2020

about ego, politics, and self-assertion. Religion is just a vehicle to them for promoting those 3 things.

rickyhall

(4,889 posts)
20. It's OK. They are the ones insisting this is a "Christian Nation" when it ain't.
Sun Apr 12, 2020, 02:05 PM
Apr 2020

I wouldn't miss them.

wnylib

(24,775 posts)
22. No excuse for this self-centered
Sun Apr 12, 2020, 02:18 PM
Apr 2020

religious freedom claim.

What disturbs me more than the selfish and foolish claims of these fundies is the legal ruling in their favor. How can any court allow a group to claim the right to endanger the general population?

uriel1972

(4,261 posts)
23. How can any court allow a group to claim the right to endanger the general population?
Sun Apr 12, 2020, 11:21 PM
Apr 2020

Quite easily, it seems...

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