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This should be interesting. Kudos to Frank for lifting the curtain.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/01/unsealing-vatican-archive-reveal-hitler-truth-pope-pius-xii
New light will be shed on one of the most controversial periods of Vatican history on Monday when the archives on Pope Pius XII accused by critics of being a Nazi sympathiser are unsealed.
A year after Pope Francis announced the move, saying the church isnt afraid of history, the documents from Pius XIIs papacy, which began in 1939 on the brink of the second world war and ended in 1958, will be opened, initially to a small number of scholars.
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On the big question, its clear: Pius XII never publicly criticised the Nazis for the mass murder they were committing of the Jews of Europe and he knew from the very beginning that mass murder was taking place. Various clerics and others were pressing him to speak out, and he declined to do so.
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In December 1942, Pius XII spoke out in general terms about the suffering of the Jews, although he had known for several months about the Nazi extermination plans. In 1943, he wrote to the bishop of Berlin, arguing that the church could not publicly condemn the Holocaust for fear of causing greater evils.
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I'm trying to think of a greater evil than the Holocaust.
vlyons
(10,252 posts)The haulocaust was the industrialization of genocide.
Cartoonist
(7,558 posts)War is bad, but genocide is pure evil.
unblock
(54,242 posts)World War II was already well underway by 1943.
What *further* evil was he worried about?
Cartoonist
(7,558 posts)That was the Church's greatest fear. Commies were atheists.
unblock
(54,242 posts)Personally, I'm not sure the pope's reluctance was purely ideological. I can't imagine the Vatican wasn't threatened and/or rewarded for playing along with hitler.
lark
(24,343 posts)Refusing to acknowledge the worst of the drumpf offenses even while their parishioners are dying because of the incompetence of the drumpf cabal in ensuring an appropriate response to a possible pandemic? Just like they tolerate the caging and killing of small children because "illegals", they will also condone assmouths' response to COVID-19.
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)Virtually every government in Europe and North America was as opposed to communism as the Axis powers. I think the Church sided with Hitler and Mussolini because the Church had long favored authoritarianism over liberal democracy, and saw in fascism the opportunity to fend off secularism and reassert its authority.
Cartoonist
(7,558 posts)There were three main parties, the Nazis (who called themselves socialists, but weren't), the Socialist Democrats, and the Communists. Only the Nazis were theists, so the church sided with them.
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)It had more to do with traditional church politics than communism. Social Democrats were also opposed to communism, but they didn't have a role for the Church in their style of government.
And being totally honest, I think the Church kind of sided with the Nazis by default. They'd already backed Mussolini and Franco; they really couldn't have backed anyone else in Germany but Franco's and Mussolini's allies/analogs.