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Related: About this forumWhy I used to believe in the prosperity gospel like Kenneth Copeland believes
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If you havent seen the video of Fort Worth, Texas, televangelist Kenneth Copeland attempting to answer questions about his private plane and the prosperity gospel in a rare and unexpected interview with Lisa Guerrero of Inside Edition, do so. Its stunning, and important.
Its difficult to get time with prosperity preachers. I would know, as I used to be one and work with one my uncle, Benny Hinn...
Wealthy preachers like Copeland, Creflo Dollar, Joel Osteen, Paula White and my uncle live like rock stars in multimillion-dollar mansions, drive luxury cars, fly in private jets and do it all using donations from their faithful followers. Lets face it, the prosperity does look pretty good!
This twisted version of Christianity promises that Jesus will make you healthy, wealthy and happy.
The heartbreaking reality of the prosperity gospel is that by the time you reach the top of the pyramid, youre still empty. Many preachers spend the better part of their ministry exploiting people to have it all, only to weep with regret decades later when they realize theyve got a date with destiny coming for them.
To read more:
https://religionnews.com/2019/06/06/why-i-used-to-believe-in-the-prosperity-gospel-like-kenneth-copeland-believes/
Greed, and a desire for power in action.
keithbvadu2
(40,531 posts)Why are the faith 'healers' in stadiums and television instead of going from hospital to hospital curing//healing people?
1. Because those venues are far more profitable.
2. Because hospitals can check the results.
guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)They are driven by money.
And, they are good salespeople for their message. Their own wealth is seen by some as proof that their message is correct.
NRaleighLiberal
(60,572 posts)Hell can not be too hot or too eternal for them all.
Even more pathetic are those who fall for it.
guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)Worse are those who deceive.
NRaleighLiberal
(60,572 posts)they can get something for nothing - and that is all about "stuff" and "Money". I guess a lot of people are simply lost.
guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)The advertising industry exists to tell us that wealth is a substitute for everything.
Bretton Garcia
(970 posts)Maybe not riches. But at least a minimal prosperity.
So it might not be entirely good when very smug, superior, spiritual people denigrate prosperity TOO much. Since that denigrates and works against the poor.
It's all too easy for moderately well-off Christians to disdain or put down prosperity. Because 1) the already well-off already have it. And 2) often they don't know what it is like to be without basic necessities, like good food and medical care.
Granted, the filthy rich ministers of prosperity, those who went too fat with prosperity, are bad people. But what about the metaphorical, over-spiritual Christians, who attack the efforts of poor people to lift themselves up?
guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)The argument should be that we all need a living wage, not a minimum wage.
In my view, the issue with prosperity is that all too often it comes at the expense of the workers.
But the issue with the prosperity Gospel ideology, in my view, is that prosperity is presented as a sign of divine favor, and thus a good thing in itself.
Bretton Garcia
(970 posts)If prosperity is sign of divine favor, then it is not just good in itself.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)That's because the bible says it is.
Malachi 3:10: "'Bring to the storehouse a full tenth of what you earn so there will be food in my house. Test me in this,' says the Lord All-Powerful. 'I will open the windows of heaven for you and pour out all the blessings you need.'"
Matthew 25:1430: (the Parable of the talents)
John 10:10: "'I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.'"
Philippians 4:19: "My God shall supply all your need according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus."
3 John 1:2: "Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth."
guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)trotsky
(49,533 posts)And you can't prove they're wrong.
Bretton Garcia
(970 posts)"He who believes in me will also do the works that I do; and greater things than these... Whatever you ask in my name, will do it...." (John 14.12-13 RSV.)
"'I will call on the name of the LORD; and the God who answers by fire, he is God.' ... Then the fire of the LORD fell, and consumed the burnt offering, and the wood, and the stones...." (1 Kings 19.24, 38).
Just metaphors for spiritual things? Note the vivid physicality of thousands of Biblical descriptions. And the scientific experiment in Dan. 1.4-15. KJE. As well as many warnings about false things even in spiritual things; "false spirits," etc..
guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)Feel free to elaborate on it.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)Is that a Christian way to treat someone, guillaumeb?
Bretton Garcia
(970 posts)In fact, it 2) stressed science; learning from observing physical material things. And 3) it told us to evaluate Christians by their physical material fruits.
These 4) do not have to be read as mere metaphors for spiritual things. And in fact. the Biblical stress on "science" (Dan. 1.4-15/KJE) militates against it. As do 5) warnings about bad and "false" things in spirit, spirituality ("false spirits," etc.).
Many proud, vain, elitist Christians assert the Bible should be read as spiritual metaphor, mostly. But? Actually the Bible warned constantly about many bad and false things in spirits - and in effect, in spirituality.
So finally the "spiritual" reading of the Bible and its apparent physical miracles and so forth, is hardly better than the prosperity reading, that took them as real, literal, physical events
trotsky
(49,533 posts)You can't prove otherwise.
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)But whatever. Let's pretend these assholes are unique.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)But not others. Because reasons.
guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)My opinion.