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Related: About this forumChurches wipe out millions in medical debt for others
From the article:
The mountain of bills they are trying to clear is high. Medical debt contributes to two-thirds of bankruptcies, according to the American Journal of Public Health. And a 2018 Kaiser Family Foundation/New York Times poll showed that of the 26% of people who reported problems paying medical bills, 59% reported a major life impact, such as taking an extra job, cutting other household spending or using up savings. (Kaiser Health News is an editorially independent program of the foundation.)
To read more:
https://religionnews.com/2019/06/05/churches-wipe-out-millions-in-medical-debt-for-others/
LonePirate
(13,927 posts)guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)But, in my view, many televangelists are businesspeople first.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(121,513 posts)of Christianity. But the televangelists are in it to enrich themselves, not help the poor.
guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)Care for the stranger.
CDerekGo
(507 posts)Televangelists need those Private Jets....
msongs
(70,287 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(121,513 posts)No deduction for the private jet.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)What do you think, guillaumeb?
Major Nikon
(36,911 posts)Then again, it could just be that priests raping children need another "counterpoint".
guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)trotsky
(49,533 posts)Is the answer STILL "both"?
guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)that is what they decide to do.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)And that explains much of your Biblical analysis as well.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)You think religion can motivate people to do good things, but never motivate them to do bad things.
If that is an erroneous summation of your beliefs, please correct me.
guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)Correction is impossible.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)I'm asking you point blank if you think religion can ONLY motivate people to do good things.
Since you won't answer, I can only assume you hold the double standard position.
Major Nikon
(36,911 posts)A religionist does something good. Thanks religion!
A religionist does something bad. Human nature!
trotsky
(49,533 posts)I expected nothing more.
Major Nikon
(36,911 posts)Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)Guess we'll never know. At least with the areligious, one knows where we stand.
guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)But you are entitled to your beliefs.
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)MineralMan
(148,008 posts)However, they are buying the very least expensive debts, the ones that are all but written off. The people who had that debt were never going to pay, so the cost of buying that debt is a tiny percentage of the debt itself.
Still, it's a nice gesture on the parts of those churches. But, it's important to note that such buyouts do nothing to help people in earlier stages of dealing with medical debt. It only relieves people who could never possibly their debts. They're buying debt that even the sleaziest collection agencies don't want to bother with, due to the impossibility of collecting on them.
guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)That the US healthcare system is dysfunctional.
MineralMan
(148,008 posts)Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)It's great to see people doing this sort of thing, but it's a band-aid on a broken limb. "Churches" again do far more harm than good in this area, giving them cover with these types of stories doesn't help the situation.
guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)That is the problem.
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)They also enforce their beliefs on people they give treatment too, usually in the case of women's health care. Is that a systemic issue or a theological one?
guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)But the problem with the US healthcare system is one of access and cost.
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)Are the religious hospitals doing anything to address the problem with access and cost? Or are they just going with it, while also using it to enforce their beliefs on a captive audience?
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)You're confusing non-profit for 'end-run around Roe Vs Wade' as these hospitals have had to cease or outsource abortion, physician assisted suicide, tubal ligation, and other family planning to conform to Catholic medical ethics as they are wholly taken over, jointly operated, or joint billing.
You really don't know what you're talking about here. The RCC takeover has not made medical care cheaper. That's not why they are doing it.
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/ties-between-uw-peacehealth-worry-medical-trainees-grad-students/
Overlake is the last hospital standing, free and unfettered by the Religious and Ethical Directives for Catholic Health Care (ERDs).
guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)If anyone her had previously made that point, I would agree with you.
But no one did.
Buying up debt is not making medical care cheaper. It is removing a debt from someone. As my earlier responses should indicate, the two things are separate issues.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)"But the problem with the US healthcare system is one of access and cost."
Access is part and parcel of RCC terminating reproductive care for religious reasons.
Which they are doing. Right now.
guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)But I never said what you claimed that I said.
And that was my issue with your assertion.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)"But the problem with the US healthcare system is one of access and cost."
I'm not saying you said anything. I'm addressing this claim, which is harmed by catholic involvement (access) and neutral (cost).
Bretton Garcia
(970 posts)Giving some money to hospitals helps. But? It may be that giving a million times more, would still not make up for the damage done by their disinformation/faith healing campaigns, etc..
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)...done by religious organizations that have for centuries prioritized their station above public health.
guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)do so as well?
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)ethics rules.
That means, no tubal ligation. No abortion. Etc.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/10/health/catholic-hospitals-procedures.html