Guil, is that you?

Funny how removing the theism, by force if necessary, reveals the same tendencies.

As if any of it gets any better that the godless red scare claptrap from the 50’s.

Those who want to claim atheism is no different than any religion conveniently ignore only one of those constitutes a belief system. Nobody does anything on behalf of atheism.

..."EVERYBODY DOES IT"

"No u"

Yo know yo're on shaky ground when yo go-to argument is...

..."EVERYBODY DOES IT"

Sounds like a cross between Li'l Abner and Snuffy Smith!

The vast majority of violent conflict that is justified over religious belief is typically actually about power and control, not faith. Religion becomes a convenient definition for tribalism. It can be used as evidence of conformity or obedience. And this can be true whether it is violence BY people identifying by a particular faith, or against the same. Dictatorial societies tend to not like religion, or some religions, because it represents an authority they don't control. In other cases, they can leverage a particular religion that gives them authority, and abuse others that don't.

It was suppression of what they saw as rivals.

Ouch, that's an inconvenient fact for your narrative.

And the Soviets also closed churches, and religious institutions, and killed priests.

Which proves this wasn't about atheism, despite your desperation to make it that way.

Go ahead, try flinging "whataboutism" again. It's cute and funny to see you squirm.

And they did not explicitly claim to be motivated by atheism, but the 12-20 million dead were just as dead.

Please proceed.

In my response, which included:

And they did not explicitly claim to be motivated by atheism

Please explain how me saying that they did not make that claim magically becomes a claim by me that they were motivated by atheism.

This should be interesting to read.

What were they motivated by then, gil? Do tell. Go ahead and state for the record what you think they were motivated by.

And the record refutes your claim.

You can either
A) retract your claim, or,
B) continue with your claim.

I do not care either way.

Prove me wrong. Tell me what you do think motivated them.

Try again. Or not.

If you just state what you think their motivation was.

If you refuse, then my claim remains intact.

Ball's in your court. I bet I know what you'll do though.

This is 100% bullshit. You JUMP at the chance to post your "good news" stories where you claim people doing the right thing are motivated by religion, but you cannot logically say that either. Your deceit and double standards are glaring, and that's why no one takes you seriously.

you are correct that no actual dialogue is possible. And again, you equate a tiny group with "no one". Interesting logic on display.

Keep denying - everyone knows the truth.

Everyone means literally every one. If you had written "everyone in the small group of atheists who post in this group", I would still disagree.

You have no idea what the numbers are, but it's important to your ego to make sure to try and dismiss them, I guess.

Here's the thing, I don't generally see anyone else sticking up for you on these threads. Yes, I know you've claimed to have a large invisible fan club who never comments or recs anything but sends you countless private messages of support. There is no evidence of that at all, however. But there's considerable evidence of multiple people taking you to task for your constant hypocritical behavior.

And, speaking hypothetically, if people feel that this group is hostile to theists, do you think that might inhibit them from posting here?


My feeling is that you see what supports your own narrative.

And the same tactics are evident here as well:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1218&pid=307601

one of your favorite tactics. So thanks for illustrating my point.

I'm not interested in exploring why you have a compulsive need to label your critics as a "small group." That's your problem to deal with.

The only thing that IS interesting is that your public fan club appears to be a LOT smaller than this "small group" of detractors.

And that is QUITE interesting.

And when messaging personally, you reveal far more.

My links to your posts reveal LOTS of truth. And I understand you hate that.

I also understand that when you've got nothing else, you fall back on vague threats. So Christian of you.

I've told you in PMs that I despise you. I've made no bones about that, because I truly do. You make this place suck. That's just a fact. I've documented dozens, maybe hundreds of times by now, how you do that. So have multiple other people. But you keep carrying on, keep abusing others, keep insulting them, keep judging them, keep smearing them, keep pretending that you are perfect and good and that you are FORCED to do this because you have judged your detractors to be deserving of this treatment because of your perfect sense of justice.

You do you, gil. Keep on being an example of the behavior you want to see - and I'll keep documenting your hypocrisy.

Dozens, hundreds?

Why not claim millions?

As to threats, what threat did you read in my response? I have previously told you that the content your personal messages will always remain private. If you wish to print them in a post, you may do so but I understood that you intended them to be private.

Why you are so obsessed with bringing them up when you lose a discussion, I don't know.

I can only read into it that you are trying to threaten me by making vague references to whatever I have told you. And I've made clear, what I have told you is that I despise you and the corrosive effect you have on this group, all in the cause of your quest to visit vengeance upon the non-believers who drove away your bigoted and assholish friends (who actually got themselves banned with their behavior).

Marvelous command of the language.

I feel it's quite accurate. You clearly view yourself as a holy crusader against the rude infidels.

Very colorful.

Perhaps a line about the Lord visiting vengeance upon the infidels?

And your behavior.

Let me know when you think I've been punished enough for my sins.

Or is eternal punishment what you're salivating for?

Perhaps a comic book is called for.

I eagerly await the first issue.

Then you can dispense the ultimate justice on me in person, and you'll finally be happy.

But I do not feel you are guilty of anything other than venting in a relatively safe space.

Why do you blast them as being in a "choir"? Why do you dehumanize them and de-legitimize their opinions by saying they are mindlessly following a fictional "11th commandment"?

If you have a beef with me pointing out that a person is themselves being condescending when they call someone else condescending, why take it out on multiple people?

If I wanted to use atheism as a motivation for anything other than ignoring a belief system how would I do that exactly?

Let’s say I wanted to blow up a bus or assasinate a doctor, where could I find validation and absolution in atheism?

My god says you won’t answer this question and I have the utmost faith it will never happen.

Read my reply to t here.

Kinda makes one wonder why you keep mentioning it.

And determining what motivates any particular person is difficult at best.

What motivated Stalin to massacre millions of Russians? Power might have been his goal, but how do we determine what were the deciding factors that motivated him?

Meanwhile you want to suggest what his motivation was, but when asked how such a thing is possible your answer is you don’t know.

Still your answer does provide other information about your own motivation. Funny how that works.

Funny how that works.

Others might disagree.

Good job of talking in circles while never managing to say anything you couldn’t manage to support to begin with.

And he did actually force the collectivization of Russia, I think it's fair to surmise that he was motivated by the Communist theory that collectivization is good.

Just like people who say that forced conversions are good are probably motivated by the belief that forced conversions are good when they force people to convert.

When people say what their motivations are and then proceed to act in accordance with their stated motivations, do you really think it's that difficult to figure out what their motivations are?

You do get that your obvious appeal to emotion works both ways, yes?

Is that how it works? The Soviet Union was not a good thing. Suppression of people over religion isn't a good thing. People do all sorts of bad things to each other, and no group is immune to doing those things.

Some estimates have over 500 million indigenous people being exterminated by various groups who took over their lands. It happened in the Americas and it happened in Africa. In almost every case, it was Europeans doing, with the blessing of the Church.

I don't sweep the Soviet Union under the rug. I also don't sweep global genocide under that same rug.

Noted.

Do you never get tired of pointing three fingers at yourself?

As to "pointing 4 fingers", I only have 5, and when pointing, the thumb and first point forward. That leaves, if my math is adequate, 3 fingers.

Seems like he thinks it's fair game for others.

a funny one two weeks ago or something.

We're all out to get him, see. I mean, of course, if we're not all the same person posting simultaneously on multiple devices.

Are you?

If so, why?

That's why the is there.

That's amazing.

the "choir" or your fictional "11th commandment" or any of the other smears you use here. You've been told numerous times by multiple individuals to stop doing that, but you keep on going with the references. Why? Why are you like this? Why do you promote hatred and discord?

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1218&pid=304549

And your own actual posting history here shows the unintentional irony of your accusations.

And in addition, you are now linking to your own previous unsupported accusations as being "proof" of this current unsupported accusation.

A veritable tower of straw.

You can't help yourself.

I invite anyone interested to compare our posting histories.

The people I've dissed are all gone - banished from DU for homophobia, or terrible behavior.

You keep attacking current DUers, judging everyone.

Keep being the best example of a Christian you can, guillaumeb. You definitely show what hatred, anger, and judgmentalism come from the religion.

As to showing inner motivation, have you ever read about projection?

You certainly know what that's all about.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1218&pid=307884

I've given them plenty of links to decide for themselves who they think is projecting.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1218&pid=306126
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1218&pid=304761
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1218&pid=303770
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1218&pid=300714
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1218&pid=300690
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1218&pid=297276
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1218&pid=296123
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1218&pid=295874
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1218&pid=295838
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1218&pid=294809
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1218&pid=294479
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1218&pid=292745
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1218&pid=292021
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1218&pid=291622
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1218&pid=289821
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1218&pid=288084

If and when you decide to stop with the smears, the group attacks, the hypocrisy, and insults, you might just find this place becomes a lot more pleasant.

Understood.

This Group is very hospitable, as long as the poster is attacking religion.

Irony truly is dead, when YOU of all people post that sentence.


Maybe if you were honest and forthright in answering questions people ask of you, you'd get the answers you scream for.

Be the change you want to see, gil.

Or keep judging and dispensing eye-for-an-eye justice, but don't be surprised when no one does what you demand.

It summarizes the Group perfectly.

Why don't you show with your behavior what you WANT to see?

Why don't you break the cycle?

Everyone I've been a bastard to is gone. Banned for bigotry or general assholishness. You are still judging me based on how I treated those banned former DUers.

Try turning another page. Act differently than them. Stop using group smears like the "choir" meme and your fictional "11th commandment."

I and many others have asked you to do this. But you continue to hate and attack.

Why?

When do you think you will have punished others enough?

Never?

Which of my posts in that thread do you think justify your use of "choir" as a smear against the people in this group who disagree with your statements?

Let's be clear, when you use "choir" you clearly intend it to mean that your detractors are a group being directed by another, and are ordered or otherwise directed into agreeing with each other.

Explain why your insult is a proper response. Identify which of my posts are equally insulting and dehumanizing.

Please proceed.

Interesting claim.

Understood.

OK.

But you knew that.

"Son, learn to laugh at yourself easily. If you dont, others will do it for you."

Have a good night.

"I'm not saying Christianity or religion is perfect but neither is atheism." <-- Whataboutism.

So were almost all of the Nazis who carried out his orders.

...they weren't referencing Thor or Allah when they wore/displayed Gott Mit Uns...

24. We demand freedom of religion for all religious denominations within the state so long as they do not endanger its existence or oppose the moral senses of the Germanic race. The Party as such advocates the standpoint of a positive Christianity without binding itself confessionally to any one denomination. It combats the Jewish-materialistic spirit within and around us, and is convinced that a lasting recovery of our nation can only succeed from within on the framework: common utility precedes individual utility.

https://sourcebooks.fordham.edu/mod/25points.asp

...many (not all) of my posts are not only intended for the benefit of the post-author I am directly responding to, but often to a more general and wider audience.

Post #27 was just such a post.

But it's been my experience that they will try to weasel out of Hitler if you give them any wiggle room at all.

...overnight.

Every little bit helps.

...take us all back to the 1st century.

The belief system was replaced with other philosophies, and the deity was replaced by a cult of personality, neither of which had anything to do with atheism.

And a ❤

But since it has absolutely nothing to say about how to behave, you can't exactly lay this crime at its feet, either.

Now if atheism had a holy book that all atheists claimed to follow, and there were verses in it that called for the extermination of believers and religion, you MIGHT have an apt comparison here.

But you don't. Thoughts and prayers, buddy.

“My religion teaches...”

“The good book says...”

Said no atheist ever.

Great. Another one.

Personally, I find it annoying that I have to be defined by the fact that I don't believe some unscientific woo just because a lot of other people do. I wish not to be called anything at all in relation to god or no god.